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Re: Cause of ALS is found, Northwestern team says

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My dad also died of ALS last year. Identifying the cellular mechanisms underlying ALS is crucial. At the same time I'm disheartened by the conclusion of the researchers that this will pave the way to the development of drugs. Why is that always the first solution we turn to? So ubiquilin2 is unable to repair damaged proteins in people with ALS. The question is, why? I can't help but believe ALS is an autoimmune disea…

I'm so sorry to hear about your loss.

But we must put our strategist hats on, and think strategically.

Sure, perhaps ALS has an environmental trigger. How shall we look for it? ALS is a rare disease. There are 5600 new cases of ALS in the USA every year, out of 307 million Americans. This implies, very roughly speaking, that in a study group of 50,000 people, one person will get diagnosed with ALS every year on average. So doing a prospective study of ALS patients is going to be astonishingly expensive: You'll need to sign up hundreds of thousands of subjects, then follow them for years, to get any meaningful number of actual cases among your study participants.

The alternative is to carefully quiz ALS patients and their families after diagnosis and see if they all tend to report similar, distinct, unusual patterns in their earlier lifestyles. But self-reporting is a lousy way to look for subtle effects, especially when the sample size is necessarily small. People have spent decades trying to positively identify environmental triggers for much more common conditions, often with little result.

So if we must identify and eliminate an environmental factor before we can reduce the incidence of ALS, we probably won't reduce the incidence of ALS anytime soon. Trying to improve or extend the lives of ALS patients post-diagnosis is, perhaps, a more tractable strategy. We know exactly who to run the tests on. And I imagine that ALS patients are among the most eager volunteers for experimental treatments.

Re: Cause of ALS is found, Northwestern team says

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Just finished reading the article from Nature (thanks, warech). So, they're saying this ubiquilin 2 protein has a consistent mutation compared to the wild type, it's found in patients with ALS, it' found in intr-neural tangles, and they're hypothesizing that this protein may be involved in clearing misfolded proteins. Wouldn't it be at least as likely that it is one of the misfolded proteins targeted for clearing? I think the senior author, Seddique, is right: this gives them a good direction to go in. But it's still a long road.

Unfortunately, we don't have many good cures for these sorts of diseases yet. Enzyme replacement has worked to slow the progress of a couple of metabolic diseases (to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars per treatment), but I'm not aware of anything that can meaningfully clean the intracellular environment of built up detrius, especially in the central nervous system. That's a tall order. How would you do that? Intrathecal injections of a virus to splice in a functioning copy of the gene? Viruses are not well tolerated in the CNS, to my knowledge, eg, Herpes simplex encephalitis is lethal.

Best of luck on the quest though.

Re: Cause of ALS is found, Northwestern team says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under certain circumstances I believe this to be true, drugs will be a net positive (HIV comes to mind). However, we know that in most cases genes are not your destiny, it is the combination of genes and environmental triggers (such as diet, lifestyle, pollution, etc.) that cause disease. To the extent that we encourage people to believe that their actions are meaningless we actually increase the problem by enabling…

Excepting prions, I'm not aware of any environmental factors changing a protein's function. edit: regarding your comment below, the evidence in the Nature paper is fairly strongly in favor of a conformational change, though its all circumstantial evidence until they have a crystal structure. I'm a doc, I'm all about environment influencing disease. I was primarily responding to what seemed to be an overly environment…

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but it's not necessary to change a protein's function in order for environmental factors to cause disease.

A leaky gut combined with cross-reactivity or molecular mimicry is sufficient to cause autoimmune diseases in some people.

Re: Cause of ALS is found, Northwestern team says

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Just finished reading the article from Nature (thanks, warech). So, they're saying this ubiquilin 2 protein has a consistent mutation compared to the wild type, it's found in patients with ALS, it' found in intr-neural tangles, and they're hypothesizing that this protein may be involved in clearing misfolded proteins. Wouldn't it be at least as likely that it is one of the misfolded proteins targeted for clearing? I…

I wonder if intermittent fasting would be an effective deterrent of ALS through autophagy, though I highly doubt this would be of much good after the disease takes hold.
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