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Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

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Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#41
Because we currently live in a world with: 1. A high-liquidity environment for VC firms 2. A high-liquidity environment for retail investors 3. Unprecedentedly easy, fun and addictive speculation tools

Once the crypto bubble took off thanks to this unprecedented bull market, it also attracts many smart engineers, businesspeople and entrepreneurs who jump into the gold rush hoping to sell picks & shovels.

There's one more aspect here. I've coined the term "Bloated MVP" [1] from years of watching startups that lack a coherent value prop, and don't know who their first user will be, and never get any traction whatsoever, but nevertheless manage to raise $millions and suck up smart people's time and energy. I've also spent years founding such companies myself. The reason people work on bloated MVPs is because they don't realize that an idealized abstract vision is very different from a value prop.

So to summarize: The crypto space is a massive ecosystem-level bloated MVP, intermingled with the biggest liquidity bubble of all time, and unprecedented speculation opportunities

[1] https://bloatedmvp.com

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#43

Speculation of meme coins has dominated the news recently but there are some amazing coins with real utility. Ethereum tends to get viewed negatively because it can become so insanely expensive to do anything on the chain but in reality that means that the market is willing to pay for those transactions to occur which suggests that there is some real utility to the ecosystem that has real world value.

Such as?

A distributed namespace system is pretty cool (https://ens.domains/)

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#45
Crypto at its best is a use case and driver of investment in decentralized databases.

However, that leads to the question of whether we need decentralized databases. Networked computing tends to lead to centralization of services, if not at a single node then in a collection of nodes each of which is the best at what they do. Google is for search, Amazon is for e-commerce, etc.

Given the tendency towards natural monopolies, do decentralized databases make sense? They are slower and more duplicative than centralized databases.

Decentralized databases shine when a multiplicity of providers reduces the power of each node. In the parlance of monopoly, the node operators of a decentralized database are price-takers not price-setters.

Decentralized databases make economic sense when the operational costs associated with them are offset by the lower prices on offer compared to a monopolistic price-setter.

However, the tech monopolies currently offer their services free or at cost, with all the efficiencies that come with scale. I don't think we need decentralized databases now.

Still I think it's something good to have in your back pocket if the state of monopolistic software gets worse. I see the crypto market as crowd-funding R&D for something that may be needed in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone was willing to pay for it, it had value to them. That's value.

If I want to murder people does murdering people have value?

It can definitely have value. That's why bounties exist (or imagine a market for someone to assassinate Hitler).

I think there's a conflation of value and value in a particular moral dimension here.

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#47
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question was why the price of crypto is rising so fast. The answer, at least for Ethereum, is that it provides a service that some people value enough to pay for. The fact that philosopher1234 doesn't value those services just means it's very slightly less valuable than it otherwise would be.

“People will pay money for it” is not a useful definition of value. People pay money for assassination or vengeance and many extremely destructive things. What use is there in labeling these things as valuable?

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Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I want to murder people does murdering people have value?

It can definitely have value. That's why bounties exist (or imagine a market for someone to assassinate Hitler). I think there's a conflation of value and value in a particular moral dimension here.

If the original comment was saying “crypto has value because people are willing to pay for it” that is tautological. There is a conflation, but it’s a motte and Bailey.

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#49
The comment in this thread are powered by ignorance. Study the history of monetary systems going back around 690 years to present. Fiat currencies eventually fail due to government hubris. Bitcoin's algorithmic cap on units addresses that. Alt-coins are more transactional and many are more like businesses. BTC is going to continue to grow. Some tiny fraction of the alt-coin market will thrive and potentially have even larger market caps than BTC. These coins are getting traction for different reasons but BTC is an asset with staying power that provides a means for hedging against devaluing fiat currencies. Altcoins are going to take margin away from financial services entities by empowering transactions that won't require intermediaries. I think that crypto currencies are an innovation with many positive attributes.

Re: Ask HN: Why crypto is rising so fast when its not creating value?

#50
post #11

Because it's clear from anybody who knows the details about it that crypto is the basis for the next-generation of the financial system.

As someone who spent some time working on Etherium data analysis, having to learn the details of how it all works, I don't see it ever becoming a large part of finance.
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