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AMP Has Irreparably Damaged Publishers’ Trust in Google-Led Initiatives

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I know you’re joking, but I’m going to oppose that on prudential grounds. I don’t want a form of entertainment I enjoy mixed up with a grouping of companies people are incredibly critical of. Ruins the Google results too.

I was joking, but since we're here,... MAGNA? Edit, oo, I got it: MAANG. That way we can say, "Come on, MAANG!"

Well I don’t know if you intend the M to be Microsoft or Meta, but if you want to incorporate both: MAGNAM.

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Seconded. As such, I’ve switched to Safari, DuckDuckGo, and Fastmail. But how does one escape their ubiquitous presence all over the web (Google analytics, ads)??? They’re like a creepy neighbor who keeps following you around.

Firefox is also really worth checking out again.

They still have you with Android OS on many phones, and if not with Google Analytics tracking firmly embedded into most sites on the web...

Occasionally I like to fake wild conversations and go to completely out of character sites and locations just to throw their algos and tracking of me off. It's the only real way I can protest any more. :/

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I was joking, but since we're here,... MAGNA? Edit, oo, I got it: MAANG. That way we can say, "Come on, MAANG!"

Well I don’t know if you intend the M to be Microsoft or Meta, but if you want to incorporate both: MAGNAM.

Nice, I like it.

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Where do you find apple.news links on the web? Or are they being sent to you by people? Not being argumentative, I’ve just never came across a link to an Apple News article.

Being sent them, yeah.

I don't see them posted on Reddit or HN... (at least not in the top posts)

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What are the biggest features from the past decade?

To name those I use in my daily work: WebRTC, img srcset, the video element, WebASM, media queries, CSS animations. I haven't had the chance to play with the new authentication stuff (Yubikey) yet. Yes, some of that, e.g. srcset, animations and media queries, was possible using Javascript... but god, it was awful to use, even more awful to debug (especially "stuttering" issues or unresponsive pages due to some animat…

> To name those I use in my daily work: WebRTC, img srcset, the video element, WebASM, media queries, CSS animations.

The majority of these things are not from Google/Chrome and not from this past decade.

was first introduced by Safari and proposed by Apple to the WhatWG in 2012; I believe for their iPhone 4 with the 2× Retina display. But Webkit was already thinking in 2006 about High DPI.

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2...

https://webkit.org/blog/55/high-dpi-web-sites/

The element was first proposed by Opera to the WhatWG and standardised there. I believe the first big adopter was Safari on iPhone, because of no Flash, of course.

https://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-Fe...

Media Queries were first proposed and specced by Håkon Wium Lie of Opera in 2001. (Good) Browsers for the first years implemented just a subset of that feature (the media types). In 2007 Apple released the first iPhone and adopted the media queries syntax, especially the viewport width and height which made the former mostly unknown specification more popular.

https://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-mediaqueries-20010404/Ove... https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Ap...

CSS animations (and transitions and transforms) were proposed by Apple in late 2007 after implementation in Safari:

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0090....

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Nov/0080....

I thought I remember that Apple first used these technologies for Mac OS X‘ web-based Dashboard widgets but in retrospect that must have been .

WebRTC and WebASM seem to be more Chrome things, yes, and from the past decade.

(I don't have a big point; just some annoying memories of following web standards in that decade more closely than now.)

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Safari's slow release cadence (typically tied to OS version upgrades) does leave it more broken and for longer than Firefox, Chrome, Opera and other browsers that are updated more frequently and not tied to the OS. just recently i ran into incompatibilities with Safari https://github.com/leeoniya/uPlot/issues/538#issuecomment-87...

> browsers that are updated more frequently and not tied to the OS. This is true. Apple's inane insistence that everything has to be updated only once a year is truly baffling.

These past years Safari gets two releases per year, the big one with the release of MacOS in fall and a .1 spring release, adapting web technologies and sometimes extra releases tied to other Apple events and Apple proprietary APIs

I'm somewhat sceptical about evergreen browser, but that's mostly because I hate having the user interface changed under me without any action on my part. I would have hated to get the Safari 15 Beta just by opening my browser in the morning. A better update strategy seems to me to keep the big UI changes for a yearly update; but update the web engine somewhat more often, bi-monthly or so.

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Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

Seconded. As such, I’ve switched to Safari, DuckDuckGo, and Fastmail. But how does one escape their ubiquitous presence all over the web (Google analytics, ads)??? They’re like a creepy neighbor who keeps following you around.

I believe Safari is underrated these days. I really like the tab grouping and syncing that they just released. Except for dev, I still use Chrome/Brave and Firefox for that.

I also use the three technologies you mentioned. Fast mail has been great.

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Firefox is also really worth checking out again.

They still have you with Android OS on many phones, and if not with Google Analytics tracking firmly embedded into most sites on the web... Occasionally I like to fake wild conversations and go to completely out of character sites and locations just to throw their algos and tracking of me off. It's the only real way I can protest any more. :/

Turn on Enhanced Tracking Protection in Firefox: it shims GA so that websites that expect the API to be there still function, but nothing gets loaded from Google.

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> browsers that are updated more frequently and not tied to the OS. This is true. Apple's inane insistence that everything has to be updated only once a year is truly baffling.

These past years Safari gets two releases per year, the big one with the release of MacOS in fall and a .1 spring release, adapting web technologies and sometimes extra releases tied to other Apple events and Apple proprietary APIs I'm somewhat sceptical about evergreen browser, but that's mostly because I hate having the user interface changed under me without any action on my part. I would have hated to get the Saf…

> A better update strategy seems to me to keep the big UI changes for a yearly update; but update the web engine somewhat more often, bi-monthly or so.

I can't emphasize strongly enough how much I agree with this.

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I haven't used this method for Google, but I have blocked some other domains using hosts file entries. Here is an example for Google: https://superuser.com/questions/1135339/cant-block-connectio...

I am using and paying for NextDNS together with Firefox and uBlock Origin. Pretty painless setup. It works pretty well and as I have setup NextDNS to be the DNS resolver used by my access point, the family get the benefits of it without knowing about it. On the mobile, you need to set it up as VPN, this adds clutter in the notifications area, my kids do not like that.

I'm using Blockada on Android. It's also a VPN. Sadly Android allows only one VPN (don't know why) so I can't have Blockada running when I connect to a customer VPN.
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