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Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by treeman79 »

_3u10 wrote: post #6
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

I think school choice is the ideal middle ground. Schools can offer a variety of ways to teach and parents can pick from them / start their own school and provide another offering. One size fits all is bound to cause problems as our society becomes more diverse and accepting.

That’s promoting school choice. (Which I support)

A very political topic. As one side is very against it

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by todd8 »

For those interested in some of the challenges facing schools and the attempts to improve them, I found this documentary very interesting: Waiting for Superman. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/waiting_for_superman

And on school choice see Milton Friedman: https://youtu.be/SEZnis9-9Gc

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by dredmorbius »

arcanus wrote: post #8
syshum wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schools should never be autonomous, but I dont believe they should be considered to work for parents either Schools should work to produce well rounded educated productive citizens for the community. That includes the parents, but also includes childless citizens, businesses, etc. The politics of both parents, AND teachers have muddled the true mission of what a school should be. I would like to see schools return to…

> Schools should work to produce well rounded educated productive citizens for the community. Agreed, but who defines this? Parents deserve input, as key stakeholders and as taxpayers.

Stakeholder != Owner

Yes, parents have a role. Yes, parents have a stake.

They are not exclusive in this.

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by alistairSH »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

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Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by downWidOutaFite »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

The problem is parents want to pass on their own brainwashing down to their children. Like teaching creationism or that slaveowners were good people. Creating more brainwashed citizens hurts all of us.

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #15
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

The problem is parents want to pass on their own brainwashing down to their children. Like teaching creationism or that slaveowners were good people. Creating more brainwashed citizens hurts all of us.

You should attend your local PTA meeting if this what you think parents are trying to pass down.

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by CornCobs »

Hope this isn't too off topic:

I've noticed increasingly in the past few years, news article headlines of this exact form: . Then . Personally it often feels like clickbait to the point that the title feels like a disservice to the actual content.

But what I'm interested in is - is this a particular person's style of writing? Or is it actually a trend?

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Post by indymike »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #7
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

Schools should work for kids. Period. They often don’t, but let’s keep our focus. Schools need to collaborate with parents to work for kids. Parents need to collaborate with schools to work for kids.

As a parent of five kids, I think the problem is in many districts, the schools do not want to collaborate with the parents. In fact, it seems like whenever possible, the schools do things to make it harder for parents to collaborate, especially on actual education:

* Objectives are rarely published so parents can understand what is being taught.

* Common core math makes it impossible for parents who did not learn common core style calculation to help their children with math.

* Textbooks are not allowed to leave the classroom.

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by syshum »

nostromo wrote: post #9
syshum wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schools should never be autonomous, but I dont believe they should be considered to work for parents either Schools should work to produce well rounded educated productive citizens for the community. That includes the parents, but also includes childless citizens, businesses, etc. The politics of both parents, AND teachers have muddled the true mission of what a school should be. I would like to see schools return to…

> Schools should work to produce well rounded educated productive citizens for the community. No. Children are not a commodity, to be molded by the needs of the state by the educational industrial complex. Children are people. Their own interests should be paramount. Not those of the community, the state, or even the parents. (The parents are generally more trusted because they have their children’s best interest at…

Their interests are best served by becoming educated productive members of society.

This feel good, utopia, idea that children have no need to be concerned with learning a skill set, or learning how to be productive members of society (which yes means often working for companies) is part of the moronic political drivel that "education reformers" and teachers unions are pushing that are causing the American schooling system to fall behind the rest of the world.

Lets start teaching hard science, math, etc. Lets start grading with red ink again, and Lets stop with the participation trophies and the like

Re: Parents built a school app. Then the city called the cops

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Post by treeman79 »

alistairSH wrote: post #14
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #3

In the USA it’s a hot issue right now whether the schools work for the parents, or whether the schools have autonomy from parents. I read articles like this (and others) and I feel we’ve swayed too far into the “schools are autonomous” side of things. I want it to swing back.

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Let us spend our school tax money on schools of our choice then.
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