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Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

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Crypto mining, specifically. Title needs to be updated.

Extra specifically: Proof of Work cryptocurrency mining.

> Our conclusion is that policy measures are required to address the harms caused by the proof of work mining method. It is important that both Sweden and the EU can use our renewable energy where it provides the greatest benefit for society as a whole.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#23
The background is this: The Swedish government (of which the green party is part) has closed down several nuclear reactors and there is a ban on building more hydro electric dams. Before Sweden had about 50% hydro + 50% nuclear.

Now electricity prices are rising a lot, especially on days when there is little wind (which generally is the case on extremely cold winter days), and emergency power plants using fossil fuels are running a lot more than before.

So now they are going to blame something else, just like any other politicians in any other country would.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#24

I hope this gets some traction in other places too. I actually have to give China credit for making the right moves there, given our climate disaster, crypto is a doomsday cult as long as proof-of-work is a thing.

Doomsday cult means something else.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#25
post #10

The basic idea of the economy is people can earn the right to energy, and then direct it to a goal of their choosing. The government making a value judgement about what type of commercial activity is worthwhile is extremely risky. Countries with innovative financial and credit systems have historically steamrolled those that don't have such innovations. We still don't understand the nature of crypto.

The role of government is also capturing and charging for negative externalities.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#26

The background is this: The Swedish government (of which the green party is part) has closed down several nuclear reactors and there is a ban on building more hydro electric dams. Before Sweden had about 50% hydro + 50% nuclear. Now electricity prices are rising a lot, especially on days when there is little wind (which generally is the case on extremely cold winter days), and emergency power plants using fossil fuel…

>So now they are going to blame something else, just like any other politicians in any other country would.

but somehow they decided to blame crypto-mining instead of excessive house heating and refusal to wear sweaters indoors. funny that.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#27
post #9

Proof of work for mining should pay hefty carbon tax. Various other industry already pay that tax, why not mining crypto? Crypto fans make various claims, so lets check that. E.g. Any new etherum block carbon footprint would be verified through oracle and smart contracts. Based on that it will be subject to tax that will go to carbon-capture companies. With that incentive, crypto could innovate to better methods and…

This is nonsensical. If you want to tax carbon, tax it regardless what it is used for.

What you are describing penalizes somebody who uses clean energy for mining and ignores somebody who uses coal power for running his bot farm.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#28
As person living in country with ties to Scandinavian grid. I see this as very positive. I could argue that current market price situation could even be worse if crypto miners were allowed to externalize their energy cost to rest of society. That is by applying high demand the hydro would have less stored capacity available. Which kinda is currently part of the price problem.

They lower the stored capacity and pay cheap price for that which results later the general population and other industry having to pay much higher cost of electricity, while they probably stop buying it, thus not taking their fair share of costs.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#29
post #3

"If we were to allow extensive mining of crypto-assets in Sweden, there is a risk that the renewable energy available to us will be insufficient to cover the required climate transition that we need to make. This energy is urgently required for the development of fossil-free steel, large-scale battery manufacturing and the electrification of our transport sector. Based on estimates from Cambridge University, it is cu…

Nuclear is clean and sustainable and can allow people to mine bitcoin and even heat their homes, which seems to be a problem currently in some regions of Europe.

Re: Swedish government agencies say energy-intensive crypto mining should be banned

#30

The background is this: The Swedish government (of which the green party is part) has closed down several nuclear reactors and there is a ban on building more hydro electric dams. Before Sweden had about 50% hydro + 50% nuclear. Now electricity prices are rising a lot, especially on days when there is little wind (which generally is the case on extremely cold winter days), and emergency power plants using fossil fuel…

>So now they are going to blame something else, just like any other politicians in any other country would. but somehow they decided to blame crypto-mining instead of excessive house heating and refusal to wear sweaters indoors. funny that.

People in the developed world consume massive amounts of energy on non-essentials. Energy consumptions is not the problem. In fact, it's strongly correlated with quality of life. The problem is polluting sources of energy.

Singling out one non-essential for its use of energy and banning it, while leaving all others legal, makes no sense. Doing so is a case of scapegoating one small facet of a larger phenomenon, instead of addressing the root problem.

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