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Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

betwixthewires wrote: post #448
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #446

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Your daughters ARE worrying. And the proof is that they have guns.

That's a ridiculously empty self supporting meaningless assertion, care to elaborate?

Statistically, gun owners are far more likely to be injured by their own weapons than the weapons of others, and the sheer availability of firearms forces law enforcement officers to escalate situations far more quickly than they otherwise would. It follows that people who are walking around with guns live in fear of confrontation with other people who have guns.

I have had five personal relationships with people who have died due to firearms. They are as follows:

1. My cousin, who killed himself while hunting ducks

2. My childhood friend, who killed himself while cleaning a rifle

3. My childhood friend, who was killed by cops after falling asleep at a railroad crossing and dropped his phone in the car when the police approached

4. My uncle, who committed suicide

5. Another childhood friend, who was drunk and disorderly and shot to death by cops while unarmed in the front yard of his house

On the flip side, I don't personally know a single human being whose life was either saved or made better by possessing or being around someone who possessed a firearm.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by dang »

busymom0 wrote: post #288
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #225

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The bit you missed out from that link was: Total firearms: 10,265

I stated "rifle" not all guns. Because saying we need to take away all guns is pie in the sky thinking. Dems run on "taking away AR-15" but the stats show that isn't going to achieve anything. In 2008, there were 800k-3 million defensive uses of guns. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29101364

Please don't copy-paste comments on HN. It lowers the signal/noise ratio. If you want to refer to what you said elsewhere (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29101591), that's fine, but please use a link and explain why it's relevant.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by moffkalast »

FredPret wrote: post #382
moffkalast wrote: post #233

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It's still a pretty shit system. A good system would have more than 2 people and instant runoff.

... so run for election, then there will be 3 people

Not from the US, my country already has a multiple party system.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by betwixthewires »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #451
betwixthewires wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a ridiculously empty self supporting meaningless assertion, care to elaborate?

Statistically, gun owners are far more likely to be injured by their own weapons than the weapons of others, and the sheer availability of firearms forces law enforcement officers to escalate situations far more quickly than they otherwise would. It follows that people who are walking around with guns live in fear of confrontation with other people who have guns. I have had five personal relationships with people who…

Statistically, you're an extreme outlier if you know 5 people who died of gunshot wounds.

Of those 5 though, two were killed by cops. Can I draw from the fact that you included those that you don't want police to have firearms either?

When you say "killed himself" for 1 and 2, do you mean deliberately?

Again though, you're an extreme outlier. And even more so that you don't know personally a single individual who even once was saved by proximity to a firearm, such as for example saved from domestic violence by the arrival of armed police. I live around guns and people with guns, there are literally hundreds of guns around me within a quarter mile radius right now, I only have three gun deaths of anyone I have ever known, one was a suicide, one was an old lady who defended her orphanage from an armed intruder, and another was a man shot by his ex girlfriend while he attempted to assault her. The last two of course are examples of lives saved or made better by possessing a firearm.

Then there are the other reasons to have them besides personal protection. Particularly there's the ethereal "deterrent to tyranny" you hear cited, but practically speaking there's also the ability to procure meat without a massive supply chain and the ability to defend against wildlife in areas where that is a tangible threat.

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Post by skinnymuch »

ghoward wrote: post #414
skinnymuch wrote: post #403

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Which ones? We used masks during the Spanish Flu. That’s the other biggest pandemic. We don’t really have any others that compare.

We used masks during the Spanish Flu until politicians were caught not using masks. Also, the Hong Kong Flu might be close to COVID in per capita deaths.

There’s a whole bunch of reasons for the masks not used as Spanish Flu went on.

However, it was a mainstay for a period of time without any where close to the current division over using masks.

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by skinnymuch »

rsj_hn wrote: post #406
skinnymuch wrote: post #401

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If NJ is in such deep waters. Which it seems like it is. What is up with the stats and data of which states give more to the fed than what they get back and Vice versa. Why is NJ always giving more? If they have so much debt?

> Why is NJ always giving more? If they have so much debt? Because we have progressive taxation and a lot of rich people live in New Jersey, so they pay more in taxes. A state doesn't need to be in financial trouble because it is poor, it is in financial trouble if it makes more promises than it can afford to pay given its tax base. The constant raiding of employee pension funds and various financial ponzi schemes is…

I don’t understand why NJ gives more than it gets back though. Is it only based around the state’s average income?

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by ghoward »

skinnymuch wrote: post #455
ghoward wrote: post #414

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We used masks during the Spanish Flu until politicians were caught not using masks. Also, the Hong Kong Flu might be close to COVID in per capita deaths.

There’s a whole bunch of reasons for the masks not used as Spanish Flu went on. However, it was a mainstay for a period of time without any where close to the current division over using masks.

And the Spanish Flu was far deadlier. Perhaps that matters?

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Post by onemoresoop »

FredPret wrote: post #381
onemoresoop wrote: post #188

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Sure, but how about a clueless puppet you can have a drink with in the office?

"man from a lower social class than you" = "clueless puppet"? Yikes

Not in a pejorative way but certainly don't expect a trucker to be a good politician. I really hope he'd prove me wrong

Re: Truck driver leads NJ Senate president after spending $153 on campaign

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Post by AlbertCory »

gbronner wrote: post #380
AlbertCory wrote: post #279

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"turning screws"??? He's (presumably) going to be a legislator. One of many. He's not an executive, let alone a dictator.

As a legislator, he'll have a very good reason to get a concealed carry permit...

If that's what you meant by "turning screws" then yeah, you're right.

I thought you meant changing the whole system, which is well beyond the powers of one legislator.

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