Facebook: we're moving away from this ethically and morally reprehensible technology under their breath because the IP is better held in a different part of our corporate structure.
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Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
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Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#42I've seen a genius use of face analysis lately: nvidia new video codec for chat. https://developer.nvidia.com/ai-video-compression Basically it creates an AI model of your face, send that to the other party, and then when you move, it only sends key face points. The other party uses the AI model to create a virtual hi-res picture of you, thispersondoesnotexist style, except it looks perfectly like you. Then it uses t…
> Of course, then I realized the trap: it's a perfect honey pot to get everyone to scan their face.
This isn't a massive database containing scanned faces. This is really just the next generation of compression. It was only logical that neural nets would be involved in the next gen of image/video compression.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#43The thing that surprises me about the facial recognition news is that I was expecting it to be the other way around. For meta to outlaw it.
The reason for the re-name is to separate Zuck and his new project from the toxic reputation that facebook has. So the logical thing to do is to get meta to outlaw facial recognition, as a first indication that it's going to do business differently from how facebook was operated.
Instead this is really interesting. Zuck has 'moved' from facebook to meta, and apparently, plans to bring his complete lack of ethics along with him (or to put it generously, his ignorant view of the world). Could we see the next evolution in facebook to be a social media platform that the company has decided is the past- and therefore they can afford to run it more ethically and be more considered about their abuse of their users. Become the warm and fuzzy that some parts of microsoft have become. Meanwhile Zuck moves to the "metaverse" which is him and a few others desparately trying to carry out the exploitation he succeeded with in the heyday of Facebook?
Or to put it another way - it would be genuinely surprising if Zuck has the self-awareness to realise that Facebook's brand can be rehabilitated but that his brand is what's poisoning it.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#44Something they talk about a lot on the Vergecast (weekly podcast from The Verge) is that the killer app for AR is identifying people in real life for you. I think that's probably true for a lot of people who have to have a lot of professional in-person interactions with a lot of different people - which importantly includes journalists. They semi-jokingly talk about how they'd forgive many misgivings about a product that could reliably do that. And Facebook seems to be in by far the best position to have the data to build that product, as long as they hang on to their facial recognition data set somewhere.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#45The thing that surprises me about the facial recognition news is that I was expecting it to be the other way around. For meta to outlaw it. The reason for the re-name is to separate Zuck and his new project from the toxic reputation that facebook has. So the logical thing to do is to get meta to outlaw facial recognition, as a first indication that it's going to do business differently from how facebook was operated.…
> it would be genuinely surprising if Zuck has the self-awareness
It would be a breakthrough for artificial intelligence / machine consciousness.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#46But they'll still continue to use internally for data mining, knowledge graph, etc - which is really the main problem.
If there is no law against it, who is going to stop them, and why would they care?
What I'm trying to say is that they are in fact not backing away from facial recognition as the title suggests - unless they will stop using it internally as well.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#47I've seen a genius use of face analysis lately: nvidia new video codec for chat. https://developer.nvidia.com/ai-video-compression Basically it creates an AI model of your face, send that to the other party, and then when you move, it only sends key face points. The other party uses the AI model to create a virtual hi-res picture of you, thispersondoesnotexist style, except it looks perfectly like you. Then it uses t…
Think how many people already gave this data to Apple to unlock their phones.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you really want to convey facial expressions and a personable experience, just enable video. I hate to take Meta's side, but enabling video is inviting discrimination and hate speech. Enabling audio alone has proven to be enough to bring out the worst in people online. Voice mixers and avatars will result in a much more even experience for everyone involved. Emoting through an avatar will make that experience ri…
The user daenz made a good point too: > Its primary feature is to strongly tie someone's identity to their physical body. I am just being skeptical here. Again, why cant I just have a control panel with a wide range of avatar emotes, the same way we currently have a wide range of emojis. My physical facial expressions are limited. What if I wanted my jaw to literally drop on the floor? Or my heart to beat out of my c…
Insert a "why not both" meme here. Having both available is very powerful, especially for non-power users who would rarely use the advanced list of emotes.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#49Meta wants to capture your biometric data so that your facial expressions and body language can be mapped onto a 3D avatar in virtual reality. Is this really the future of the metaverse? or is it just what Mark Zuckerberg thinks what the metaverse should look like? I am a little skeptical of this vision. And I imagine most of the "metaverse" will be experienced through flat screens - and text, voice, and video will r…
> If you really want to convey facial expressions and a personable experience, just enable video. I hate to take Meta's side, but enabling video is inviting discrimination and hate speech. Enabling audio alone has proven to be enough to bring out the worst in people online. Voice mixers and avatars will result in a much more even experience for everyone involved. Emoting through an avatar will make that experience ri…
It’ll become the PenisSwastikaVerse about five minutes after it opens.
Re: Facebook is backing away from facial recognition. Meta isn’t
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not the least bit skeptical of this vision, but that's because I see direct use along Facebook's (Meta's) business model. If you are selling advertising (influencing) access to a population through heightened metrics and more ability to target amenable customers, there are many useful things you can learn and correlate through things like delay before click-through, where the mouse pointer hovers, and so on. This…
> If you are selling advertising (influencing) access to a population through heightened metrics and more ability to target amenable customers, there are many useful things you can learn and correlate through things like delay before click-through, where the mouse pointer hovers, and so on. This is done on a massive scale and it's extremely revealing, allowing for deep and fascinating connections into the human subco…
You’re both right! There will be incompetence, fraud, AND evil.