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Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

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Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#43

> Pfizer’s phase 2/3 trial randomized non-hospitalized adult COVID-19 patients who were at high risk of progressing to severe illness to receive placebo or Paxlovid, a combination of the protease inhibitors Oh, a protease inhibitor you say? I was told those were horse dewormers by the media. This whole thing is bullshit. With this much money at stake we were never going to learn the truth.

You forgot the best part. They get to patent it and charge 10000 times more.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#44

Glad I waited instead of taking part in an experiment trial. There was an "easy" solution after all... I wonder what is the gotcha though, since it's a Pfizer study. Maybe something like selling a known molecule 10 times more expensive than before after rebranding it for the new usage?

Why is this drug less experimental than the vaccines?

That is a valid question but another thing to note is that you wouldn’t be giving this drug to the vast majority of people who do not get any symptoms from a Covid-19 infection. Nor would you be forcing people to take this drug.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#45

Did anyone hear NPR's reporting on this? They said the early study was originally halted BECAUSE of it's positive effects at preventing hospitalization and death... very weird, I hope it is a typo or I'm understanding it wrong...

Maybe they meant that further study at that level was not necessary and they were moving on to later stage trials? In order to speed up the release I mean.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#46
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So as good as a vaccine basically?

Comparable individual outcome, worse societal outcome - you still spread it, so no reduction in overall cases, unlike a vaccine.

I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated if they can, but it does little to prevent spread. Over the long run we'll all be exposed no matter what we do. The real benefit of vaccines is in reducing the risk of severe symptoms.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#47

> Pfizer’s phase 2/3 trial randomized non-hospitalized adult COVID-19 patients who were at high risk of progressing to severe illness to receive placebo or Paxlovid, a combination of the protease inhibitors Oh, a protease inhibitor you say? I was told those were horse dewormers by the media. This whole thing is bullshit. With this much money at stake we were never going to learn the truth.

The difference is that this one has a double-blind study showing high effectiveness. There's no reason to think every protease inhibitor is as good as the next, drugs are weird and unpredictable, and you can only know if they work with a good study.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#48
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> There were six hospitalizations and no deaths among the 607 patients who received Paxlovid within five days of symptom onset, compared to 41 hospitalizations and 10 deaths in the placebo cohort. How does this work? You sign up for the program when you're sick and you might get meds that help you? That would really suck if a loved one was in the program and died because they happened to get the placebo.

Well, the other possibility is the drug could turn out to have severe side effects including death, so either way you take a risk.

If it does conclusively show effectiveness quite quickly, often they will cut the phase of the trial short and put everybody on the actual drug I think.

Re: Pfizer's oral Covid-19 antiviral cuts hospitalization, death by 85%

#50
We had reports of people who wanted to take weird-ass drugs-of-the-day just to refuse getting vaccinated. And screaming "conspiracy" when their efficacy was not confirmed to be as high as they expected.

Good that we have something that actually works, bad that some assholes will use it as an excuse not to get vaxxed, completely missing the point (among others, trying to prevent something worse than Delta).

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