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M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by mixmixmix »

DJHenk wrote: post #122
pistoriusp wrote: post #112

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Why not both? I can honestly say that I didn't know how bad the 2019 MBP Intel CPUs are until I tried a M1. It's streets ahead. I don't think people will be moving away from webpack for awhile, but transpilation is often a very expensive part, and `swc` is very near to stable, and as a transpiler / polyfilling tool it's pretty fast.

> Why not both? Because buying new stuff is wasteful and only a temporary solution to the problem? Look, I like nice, fast machine as much as the rest of the crowd here, but let's not kid ourselves. In a years time the software we run on it will have become even more bloated and things will be just as slow as they were. And then a new machine comes out we all want to buy that. There will be some ecstatic blog posts a…

Cool.

Enjoy your latitude, but you don’t have the right to tell me that I can’t enjoy my M1 max.

Different strokes for different folks.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by harshitaneja »

mmargerum wrote: post #113
grumpyprole wrote: post #61

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Perhaps you have some rogue process that is causing windows server to run at 4%?

Visual studio code haha

I am not 2021 macbook pro's yet but on 2020 M1 VS Code doesn't have higher than usual impact on battery. Atleast I, with 7-8 active vscode windows throughout the day, couldn't notice.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by harshitaneja »

bionade24 wrote: post #126
killingtime74 wrote: post #98

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Any Ryzen one

I definately have to pay more for a similar to a maxxed out Macbook Pro 14" specced Ryzen driven Laptop in Germany. Due to current graphic card prizes Desktop is even worse. Can't say that I feel robbed buying a MBPro when Linux runs on it while I felt that immedeately buying a Tigerlake Notebook.

"Linux runs on it" ?

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by saagarjha »

masklinn wrote: post #160
saagarjha wrote: post #147

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M1's cores are homogenous and all of them support TSO.

Saying that the M1's cores are homogenous is pretty misleading / confusing as the icestorm and firestorm cores are rather different. big.LITTLE/DIQ-type architectures are usually considered heterogenous even if all the actors share an ISA (because you can't treat all the cores But as to the latter assertion, you're indeed correct per Joe Groff (Swift compiler engineer at Apple): https://twitter.com/jckarter/status/13…

Yeah, when I said "homogenous" I was solely referring to the ISA. Trying to enable TSO on a Tempest core will fail with an undefined instruction exception, but I think A12Z is ISA homogenous in userspace.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by ricardobeat »

capableweb wrote: post #129
ricardobeat wrote: post #127

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That seems unlikely. From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance. And then there’s the GPU, you can’t even get a 2070 for that amount at the moment.

> From recent benchmarks you need to go into $1000+ territory for the CPU alone to get close to M1 multi-core performance I don't think so, quick comparison, with numbers from https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-Pro-10-Core-32... : - Apple M1 Pro 10 Core 3200 MHz - Score: 23730 - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X - Score: 27293 - Price: ~$499 And I just spent 2 minutes digging up those numbers, didn't even look…

The latest Ryzen CPU is the 5950X, costing near 1k, and it’s behind M1 in that same site’s leaderboard: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

All the recent M1 benchmarks from respectable news sites confirm the same for the majority of multi core real workloads.

tl;dr you absolutely will not beat M1 Pro with a $1500 PC for work.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by nikanj »

ksec wrote: post #52
whalesalad wrote: post #30

I can’t wait for the desktop-class Pro hardware. If you extrapolate on power consumption alone it would be a complete monster. They could do something gnarly like fit 8 sockets on a single board and send your compute ability to level 9000. I’m hoping for a mid-tier unit though - a rebirth of the G4 Cube as a “Mac Mini Pro” I daily drive an M1 mini now and abuse the hell out of it. I’ve never heard the fan. It’s a rem…

>a rebirth of the G4 Cube as a “Mac Mini Pro” That will be one of those shut up and take my money moment. Given how they have been going retro or paying tribute to past design in their recent new product lineup I am hoping a G4 Cube revival is actually within a possibility.

Apple has been on a weird spree of ”hey what if we listened to our customers”. Maybe they’ll add in the ”normal” desktop computer. The iMac comes with a screen I don’t want (+weird laptop-like compromises for thinness), the mac mini is too small for actual HP, and the mac pro cost a ton

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Post by BigJ1211 »

nvarsj wrote: post #95
zibzab wrote: post #20

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Unity is slow on any machine. With that said, there is a huge M1 hype on HN. It reminds me of the 64-bit ARM hype when someone benchmaked encryption (because ARMv8 has AES instructions) and everyone were made to belive that the new iPhone would be 3-4 times faster.

Don't you think it's deserved? I haven't seriously used a macbook in nearly a decade now but the M1 is making me consider buying one. Desktop class performance in a laptop with very long battery life is just amazing. The only thing stopping me is OS X. Using it is super painful for me - it doesn't even have basic snap to edge or split window functionality. My workflow is heavily dependent on tiling WMs and it would a…

You can run linux on it if you want, for most productivity related issues there are open source tools like [Rectangle](https://rectangleapp.com) for what you're talking about.

other tools like the Dash app are also amazing tools to speed up the development process. It will take some getting used to moving from Windows and to a far lesser extent linux, however with the right tools for the job you will end up being more productive and less frustrated. Especially compared to Windows.

Unless I need something that specifically only runs on Windows, I would use Mac/Linux over it any day of the week. For productivity it's Mac > Linux >>> Windows for me.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by weatherlight »

aroman wrote: post #55
midrus wrote: post #39

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It is not an "HN thing". These machines are damn fast in day to day use. Absolutely zero heat, zero usage of fans and incredible battery life too. I see a lot of hype and fanboys around here regarding certain techs, but these machines are objectively on a whole different league.

Do you have one of the M1 Pros? Mine very much does gets hot and I can definitely hear the fans when I'm building a project, but both fronts are certainly improved vs the Intel Macs. Honestly, it gets about as hot and as loud as the Intel version, just far less frequently.

I have a m1 max and before it a 2020 m1, I still use an Intel i9 for work. With the M1s my fans only go on if Im gaming or using apps that are CPU intensive through Rosetta 2. My intel machine sounds like a leaf blower by comparison

To get the most energy efficiency out of the M1s is to use binaries/programs that have been specifically compiled for the M1.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by liotier »

tpxl wrote: post #164
jmnicolas wrote: post #128

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> And each time I read a post like this I wonder: what do these people _do_ with these machines? To give you an idea, I don't have Macs, but I have a beefy desktop because I run my own OpenStreetMap server on it. My old machine: i7 3770, 32GB ram, 1 TB sata SSD: 3 days to import Europe's map. The new one: Ryzen 5800, 32GB ram, 1 TB NVME: 10 hours to import Europe's map. I will probably need to upgrade my ram and NVME…

> because I run my own OpenStreetMap server on it. What do you do with it?

Generate map tiles, throw lots of queries at a local Overpass API, run custom large-scale analysis, develop a geocoding service, serve routing calculations... Many applications that public servers will let one query at sample scales, but for which serious use requires setting up one's own servers.

Re: M1 Pro First Impressions: Core Management and CPU Performance

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Post by weatherlight »

mrctte wrote: post #156
nvarsj wrote: post #95

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Don't you think it's deserved? I haven't seriously used a macbook in nearly a decade now but the M1 is making me consider buying one. Desktop class performance in a laptop with very long battery life is just amazing. The only thing stopping me is OS X. Using it is super painful for me - it doesn't even have basic snap to edge or split window functionality. My workflow is heavily dependent on tiling WMs and it would a…

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i was using hyperdock for this and it stopped working, just installed this and it works great! on both the M! macs and my work intel machine
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