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Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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Another hunch that I have is that as you get older you tend to have less unique experiences. I believe our brains compress the information and an entire day that was much like the previous day can just feel like it sped by quickly. Alternatively, if you go on vacation or change your routine then time will slow down as you process a lot of new information.

As someone who moved to a country where I didn’t speak the language, then changed jobs twice and then moved to a third country I can honestly state the year went by just as fast.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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The proposed mechanism is that all recalled long-term memories (older than this week) are weighted independently of recency, so as you get older more of your memories are from the past years than the latest year, so the latest year seems less substantial.

This is just more elaboration of the hypothesis. It doesn't actually explain anything neurologically. What's the implementation? How do you plan to test for it?

The article doesn’t explain it neurologically either other than saying “more brain connections means long time to traverse the brain” which is just a bunch of handwaving.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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You weren't being "ageist". It's normal to assume that old people live at home and aren't out doing many things. It's also normal to assume that 16 year olds get acne. Please don't let someone censor you for acting rationally.

> It's normal to assume that old people live at home and aren't out doing many things No, it's not normal. Not at all. I hope for all that's good it's not your life when you're old, or if you're old it's not your life.

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Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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I have an alternative (although unproven) theory. I have been practicing meditation for 15 years, sometimes in batch of 100 hours. The more I practice, the more the time slows down. Not just while meditating, but after the fact as well. Although it fluctuates and I'm not back to my kid self, it feels that I have tremendously more time now than a few years ago. I suspect that it's tied to how much present you manage t…

Where would you start right now if you were starting to meditate with no prior experience, knowing what you know now with 15yrs of experience? I'm going to take what you recommend and run with it.

There are a lot of different meditation techniques and teachers, and they are as different as are sports and coaches: your body gets exercise, but that's the only common ground. But here it's the mind.

I can only tell you what I have done, the cost and benefit I personally experienced. I cannot make recommendations as it would be utter B.S.

I'm pretty good with my brain, but my attention was lacking to say the least. In search for a solution, I tried meditation on my own. I read books, and tried to sit down by myself.

I failed. Repeatedly.

Frustrated by what was the first time not being good with my head, I ask my doctor, who I knew was a Buddhist doing meditations retreats in caves, to help me find a teacher.

I insisted I wanted meditation only. No mantra or singing. No mythology or holly texts. No prayer or God. No offering, ritual or altar.

She told me the closest thing to what I was looking for was a course of "Vipassana Meditation, in the tradition of S.N Goenka".

It's a meditation technique that you learn during a 10 days courses. Shorter periods are NOT available as a beginner, and the 10 days are really necessary. I advice strongly against quitting in the middle of a course, for your own mental health, even if you believe you can. Once your are in it, you should finish.

You _will_ want to quit. Almost everybody does. Sometimes, I still do on the first day, when I start a new course.

The 10 days are not devoid of mysticism, religious undertone, etc. but they do teach you a technique that can be practiced as an atheist, or a practitioner of another religion, with minimal fuss. Keep in mind, though, that if you are scientifically inclined, the 10 days will grind your gears in many ways. After so long, it still triggers me sometimes, but I've being involved with those people quite deeply now, and I find solace in the fact they are benevolent and dedicated to helping.

I actually lived a year in one of the (numerous, almost 200 in the world) meditation centers, I dated one their accountant (!), and being part of a lot of their activities. They are just regular human beings, with the good, and the bad, but they really want to help, and they do. The accounting books are clean too ^^

The course is free, and you don't need to pay for the teaching, nor the accommodation, or the food. Ever. They will regularly remind you they need donation, and even tell you it's good for you :) I do donate, but it is completely optional, and some people never give anything. It's considered perfectly ok.

As for the 10 days course, it is _hard_. The discipline is strict:

- waking up at 4 am

- no food after 12

- you put any distracting object in a safe you can't access before the end, including your phone, books, wallets or notebooks

- you can't talk, do much exercise

- you meditate 10 hours a day

The hardest part is not the silence, the food or the sleep though. It's the meditation. Provided you practice correctly, it will be extremely challenging. Boredom, physical discomfort or pain, distress, depression, break down, sadness, etc. are only a fraction of the things you may, or may not have to face. And that's only what you can put words on, which is, to my surprise, only a very tiny part of the experience.

The cost, hence, is high.

It's even higher if you decide it's worth it for you to carry on with it daily. It takes time, and effort.

Also, it's a slow process. A steady one, mind you. My life has changed in ways I believe would have not been possible otherwise. Some progresses fade without practice. Some gains are for life even if you stop.

But I've been at it for some time now, and I will continue for the rest of my life. The trade off proved worth it for me.

The most obvious benefits that I personally experienced:

- my social, love and professional life have completely shifted. I had what looked like autistic traits, but they have melted. I'm considered an extrovert now.

- I am happier. It was not a straight transformation. I had depressive periods. But the trend on 15 years is that, all in all, I'm much, much happier than when I started. This by itself makes the technique worth it, as it leads you, little by little, to decouple happiness from circumstances.

- I know myself better. This means I accept myself more as I am, I have less illusion about myself, and also I live my life according to that knowledge, instead of hitting an invisible wall. If I'd share what I learned with you, you would think it's trivial, obvious things. But making them yours make all the difference.

- I'm more productive. It's a small detail compared to the rest, but a nice boost.

- I am more at peace with the suffering of our human condition. Less afraid of death, less angry with people destroying things, less depressed by the state of society. I forgive a lot now. Including myself. I'm ok hurting people too, which is strange to say, and not what you think would be the result of meditation.

In fact, I became less minimalist and more materialist with time. I don't look the stereotype of a wise, zen person. Also, some areas in my life I desperately wanted to work on didn't move at all. I eat too much, I still get angry for some things that are so superficial in retrospect. So be careful with expectations.

You can find more information about this particular technique and the related courses here:

https://www.dhamma.org/en-US/index

Yes, I'm well aware that the website looks like a cult.

It's even worse when you are in a course, with the Pali wows and the recordings repeating again and again the same instructions.

You will have to assess that by yourself.

Whatever you chose to do, I hope you'll find something that works for you.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

#155

I have an alternative (although unproven) theory. I have been practicing meditation for 15 years, sometimes in batch of 100 hours. The more I practice, the more the time slows down. Not just while meditating, but after the fact as well. Although it fluctuates and I'm not back to my kid self, it feels that I have tremendously more time now than a few years ago. I suspect that it's tied to how much present you manage t…

Just to add another data point: I've been meditating for 8 years now. I did a 10-day vipassana course 3 years ago. I meditate everyday (usually using Sam Harris' app, but not always). As much as I'd like to agree with you, I'm not sure I can, i.e. I can't say that time seems to pass less quickly since I've started meditating regularly. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that I have a 3-year-old son (i.e. I…

I could be completely wrong, time passing is a very subjective experience after all, and humans are very keen on creating theories based on impressions.

I would add I started experiencing time slowing down once I did a one year stay at a Vipassana center. I also meditate 2 hours a day now. My first 10 years of meditation, I didn't felt it.

So maybe, it's dose dependent.

Or maybe it's all in my head :)

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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post #102

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I've been pracitising meditation for nearly 10 years, and I also experience this effect. I think the more you meditate, the more you unlearn precious patterns, memories, etc. that were clogging up your brain. Then you have more time to experience the present moment, and your brain has more capacity to process what's going on now rather than what happened to you previously.

I meant 'previous' not 'precious'. How can I edit a post I made? I've seen what I think was other people editing their posts

There is an "edit" link, but it disappears if your comment is too old.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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Just to add another data point: I've been meditating for 8 years now. I did a 10-day vipassana course 3 years ago. I meditate everyday (usually using Sam Harris' app, but not always). As much as I'd like to agree with you, I'm not sure I can, i.e. I can't say that time seems to pass less quickly since I've started meditating regularly. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that I have a 3-year-old son (i.e. I…

I could be completely wrong, time passing is a very subjective experience after all, and humans are very keen on creating theories based on impressions. I would add I started experiencing time slowing down once I did a one year stay at a Vipassana center. I also meditate 2 hours a day now. My first 10 years of meditation, I didn't felt it. So maybe, it's dose dependent. Or maybe it's all in my head :)

I wish I could find the time to meditate for more than 10-20 minutes everyday. But between family, sleep, exercise, work, hobbies, friends, etc., it's difficult to do it, unless I sacrifice something else. It seems like it's part of the problem: feeling that you have too many things to do will lead to the impression that time passes too quickly.

But I can definitely believe that the more you meditate, the more you will experience things differently. My 10-day vipassana course was already an intense experience compared to meditating 10-20 minutes every day!

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could be completely wrong, time passing is a very subjective experience after all, and humans are very keen on creating theories based on impressions. I would add I started experiencing time slowing down once I did a one year stay at a Vipassana center. I also meditate 2 hours a day now. My first 10 years of meditation, I didn't felt it. So maybe, it's dose dependent. Or maybe it's all in my head :)

I wish I could find the time to meditate for more than 10-20 minutes everyday. But between family, sleep, exercise, work, hobbies, friends, etc., it's difficult to do it, unless I sacrifice something else. It seems like it's part of the problem: feeling that you have too many things to do will lead to the impression that time passes too quickly. But I can definitely believe that the more you meditate, the more you wi…

> family, sleep, exercise, work, hobbies, friends,

Not to mention you should cook, buy fresh food, stay informed, be politically active, learn new things, keep your house clean, recycle, do health checks up, get a hair cut, but don't use your car for everything and spend some time in nature. Don't forget to read, meet new people, get to zero inbox and fix your shower curtain.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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I think I was unintentionally ageist, sorry. I'm fifty myself, it wasn't deliberate. Also, a routine doesn't necessarily gets boring, you're right. I was thinking of a university friend of mine. He didn't work, only studied for finals, and had a very interesting life with little money. Somehow he didn't flunk.

You weren't being "ageist". It's normal to assume that old people live at home and aren't out doing many things. It's also normal to assume that 16 year olds get acne. Please don't let someone censor you for acting rationally.

I stand corrected. My main point was that people whose days are more or less identical tend to forget what day it is. The second part of my original comment even shows that it can happen to young people, so age is not the main cause.

Re: Why time “speeds up” as we get older (2019)

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It's totally unscientific but in my opinion it's like when you are hiking a path you never did and when you reach your destination, you hike back. Going back always feels faster even if the pace is exactly the same, but you already know the path, you remember some rock, or that view, or those oaks. And your brain works less. We have routines when we are small children just like we have when we are adults so it might…

I have the opposite experience when hiking- The way back usually feels like it takes forever. I think it’s because I’m seeing things I’ve already seen, so it’s not as exciting as it was when I saw it the first time on the way in. Same thing for roadtrips too, if I take the same route both ways.

Then my anecdotal theory goes boom :)
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