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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by sceptical »

trasz wrote: post #122
systemvoltage wrote: post #64

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I miss the 90's Silicon Valley. Laser focused on innovation and mostly liberatarian. I would kill to go back and rewind time. Currently, this place feels totalitarian on a cultural level. Can't express diverging views. Can't think from the fundamentals and seek truth. Can't criticize the person next to you. The game everyone seems to be playing is who is more woke than the person next to them. This whole thing escala…

Can’t express diverging views about the shape of Earth or how vaccines cause authism. What you call “woke” is just a lowered tolerance to fringe theories in ethics, same way many people don’t tolerate fringe theories about cosmology or medicine.

Wokeness is a religion. As such that is fine but why pretend otherwise.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by colinb »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #110
JanSt wrote: post #100

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Please be more specific. A disparity in casualties is to be expected in this kind of conflict. It also says nothing about who started what, who wants to erase whom etc. Regarding Finkelstein (who has been endorsed by David Duke and others): Bronzik, Benz, Seligmann and many more have shown many flaws in his book. It's easy to throw some articles around and put appeals to authority ("Finkelstein is also a solid introd…

Ah, another tedious, bad faith request for more detailed information, complete with ad hominem "Finkelstein was endorsed by a white supremacist"! How many of these HN accounts are you posting from this evening?

This is not a good-faith argument. If you cannot address disagreement without asserting that your interlocutors are glove-puppet, how are we to progress?

If you're going to argue from authority, then you have to be prepared to have the authority questioned. This isn't the USSR. We're allowed to say that your holy texts are nonsense.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by colinb »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #91
voz_ wrote: post #71

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I'd like to point out that the current generation of both the palestinians and the jews did not take or give land. The people who did are pretty much gone. At this point, there's not much to be done - both sides were both there. A more interesting discussion, I think, is why does Hamas consistently reject the Israeli peace offering and two state solution?

> I'd like to point out that the current generation of both the palestinians and the jews did not take or give land. This is simply not correct. Israel's borders have continued to expand in the 21st century.

In this we agree. The Occupied Territories are IMO a travesty.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by thinkingemote »

yosito wrote: post #7

I wonder what level of cognitive dissonance one must live with to work for a surveillance capitalist company while constantly taking activist stances against which customers that company works with.

Whenever I say this to my FFANG acquaintances they say "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".

I think they love the money too much. Love blinds.

But there's also some truth that it's shades of grey. Tech has improved lives after all.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by swarnie »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #125
swarnie wrote: post #47

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I've always wondered how META employees justify their work, funnily enough they never seem to answer when asked, they just downvote to hide the question and move on.

what does META mean?

Meta Platforms, Inc

The name Facebook are now using to distance themselves from insurrections, mental torment and the occasional genocide.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by JanSt »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #110
JanSt wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please be more specific. A disparity in casualties is to be expected in this kind of conflict. It also says nothing about who started what, who wants to erase whom etc. Regarding Finkelstein (who has been endorsed by David Duke and others): Bronzik, Benz, Seligmann and many more have shown many flaws in his book. It's easy to throw some articles around and put appeals to authority ("Finkelstein is also a solid introd…

Ah, another tedious, bad faith request for more detailed information, complete with ad hominem "Finkelstein was endorsed by a white supremacist"! How many of these HN accounts are you posting from this evening?

If you cannot give specific points your argument may not be very good.

I‘m sorry to question your deities. You brought them to the table.

mysecretaccount, this is my only account. Also, it‘s midday in Europe.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by clavicat »

Protostome wrote: post #97
clavicat wrote: post #88

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Notice how your defenses of Israel are identical to the colonial regimes of old. We’re progressive and secular and advanced and humane, not like those terrorist savages who attack us for no reason. The rhetoric is indistinguishable from that of the French justifying their hold on Algeria, or the Japanese over Korea, or the white settler regimes of Africa, or China over the Uighers. If you need it spelt out for you, i…

How is it a settler colonial project when even the name 'Jew' is derived from Judea - which is a kingdom that existed where Israel exists today. The US, Canada, Australia, NZ can be considered settler's colonies much more than Israel since the europeans who settled there had anything whatsover with those places.

“It’s not colonialism, it’s racial revanchism!” probably does not sound as sympathetic as you think. And why can’t it be both?

It is also true that Xinjiang was once peopled by the Han thousands of years ago, before the Uighers arrived, but that does not at all affect my understanding of the relationship between the Han and Uighers today. Why should it? It doesn’t change the fact that one side is extending its dominance over the other.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by rafi25 »

mclightning wrote: post #116
Protostome wrote: post #97

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How is it a settler colonial project when even the name 'Jew' is derived from Judea - which is a kingdom that existed where Israel exists today. The US, Canada, Australia, NZ can be considered settler's colonies much more than Israel since the europeans who settled there had anything whatsover with those places.

Are you saying Israelites that relocated to Israel today are ethnogenetically closer to the region than the Arabs that lived there? I would suspect most of the Israelites that moved there are actually western/european descent, whereas I would not be surprised if a lot of the Arabs there had actual ancient Jewish genes. All that aside, are we really discussing who can claim ownership to a land based on ancient history…

Actually, most Israelies came from Arab countries. The rest are from Asia (Russia) and east Europe. Less than 5% are from Western countries.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by qaq »

colinb wrote: post #129
qaq wrote: post #106

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I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.

I live in Ireland and although (((I))) might be more sensitive to it than you, I think it comes up quite a lot. A week or two ago The Irish Times (IT) was agog at Sally Rooney's decision not to allow her newest book to be published in Hebrew. The opinion pieces, letters pages, and of course Reddit were alive with praise for her "bold and courageous stance". This kind of thing comes up every few weeks, at least it doe…

I meant as a concern for the avg person I talk to. It def comes up in media

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by m0zg »

LeanderK wrote: post #23
m0zg wrote: post #3

Nowadays I take a look at the person's Twitter after reading their resume, just to see if they'd be more trouble than they're worth. I've passed on several candidates over the past few years because of the utterly imbecilic stuff they posted online. Why Google is not doing the same is a mystery to me. They already run background checks, and political affiliation, for better or worse, is not a protected class. Go be a…

this is actively harmful for a democratic society. Raising your voice is the way to influence societies action. The economy is part of society and governed by its rules and thoughts. There would be no environmental laws without environmental activist, civil rights laws without civil rights activist etc. Ignoring this means ignoring the political side of you economic actions, but companies don't operate in a political…

You're free to raise your voice, just outside the work hours. Believe it or not, some people actually come to work to do _work_, not to advance their politics. And that's the way it has to be if any work is to be done at all.
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