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Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

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Post by Protostome »

clavicat wrote: post #96
smitty1e wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But...the Israelis have deep roots in the Levant, as evidenced by a certain book of note. The 'colonial' argument rings hollow.

That is like saying that the Greeks would be justified in invading Turkey and annexing Istanbul and all of Eastern Anatolia because they had an ancient presence there and that their domination over the subjugated Turks wouldn’t constitute colonialism. Attempts at ethnic revanchism based on where humans once lived thousands of years ago is weird, creepy shit. It’s creepy when Hitler did it, and it’s creepy when you do…

Jews didn't invade Israel, that's the only difference. Israel accepted the 1947 partition of the land, while the arabs rejected it.

That led to a war, in which the arabs lost. They went all in and lost. One can only imagine what would have happened to the jews in Israel if they would have won.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#102

Post by qaq »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #86
voz_ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for accusing me of that. In what way is at an apartheid? There is no systematic discrimination based on race in Israel. I cannot say the same for other countries, esp when it comes to Jews.

Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you could look it up, like I have looked up the arguments and counter arguments to the apartheid question. What is interesting is that the tide is turning and your view is becoming less common, especially among the youth in developed nations, particularly Ireland. T…

There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#103

Post by keewee7 »

chuckee wrote: post #73
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

> progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. Which other ethno-nationalist states do you laud this way? It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory. - https://web.archive.org/web/20210519103412/https://www.adl.o...…

>Which other ethno-nationalist states do you laud this way?

Denmark and Australia?

Denmark is sending Syrian and Afghan migrants to Rwanda in Africa.

Australia is sending their South Asian and Middle Eastern migrants to remote pacific islands.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#104

Post by kkjjkgjjgg »

totetsu wrote: post #62
voz_ wrote: post #50

Israel is a wonderful country. Scientifically advanced, progressively minded, a bastion of secularism, LGBT rights, and western ideals. The world is, sadly, obsessed with them. I'd love a real explanation why they get so much undue attention given how they behave towards their enemies. Israel drops leaflets before bombing so civilians can clear out. When Hamas stores weapons in schools and Hospitals, Israel exercises…

You know I've never once had to drop leaflets before bombing anyone..

How often have you bombed anyone?

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#105

Post by mysecretaccount »

qaq wrote: post #102
mysecretaccount wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you could look it up, like I have looked up the arguments and counter arguments to the apartheid question. What is interesting is that the tide is turning and your view is becoming less common, especially among the youth in developed nations, particularly Ireland. T…

There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.

Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#106

Post by qaq »

mysecretaccount wrote: post #105
qaq wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is historic tie between USSR, IRA, and Palestine not sure what is the surprise. I highly doubt Ireland wields enough influence on the world stage to influence events one way or the other.

Perhaps not on its own, but as a sign of things to come. Ireland was proudly at the forefront of boycotting the South African apartheid, and is proudly at the forefront of boycotting the Israeli apartheid.

I live in Ireland and honestly the topic doesn't come up much if at all.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#107

Post by smitty1e »

clavicat wrote: post #96
smitty1e wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But...the Israelis have deep roots in the Levant, as evidenced by a certain book of note. The 'colonial' argument rings hollow.

That is like saying that the Greeks would be justified in invading Turkey and annexing Istanbul and all of Eastern Anatolia because they had an ancient presence there and that their domination over the subjugated Turks wouldn’t constitute colonialism. Attempts at ethnic revanchism based on where humans once lived thousands of years ago is weird, creepy shit. It’s creepy when Hitler did it, and it’s creepy when you do…

"About those poor, innocent Turks..." said Armenians.

But the second paragraph juxtaposing the Israelis is more interesting still in its tending toward Godwin's Law.

I've never before now heard of the whole Zionist movement cast in terms of colonialism.

I am grateful for the insight, as that will require some pondering.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#108

Post by smitty1e »

Protostome wrote: post #101
clavicat wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is like saying that the Greeks would be justified in invading Turkey and annexing Istanbul and all of Eastern Anatolia because they had an ancient presence there and that their domination over the subjugated Turks wouldn’t constitute colonialism. Attempts at ethnic revanchism based on where humans once lived thousands of years ago is weird, creepy shit. It’s creepy when Hitler did it, and it’s creepy when you do…

Jews didn't invade Israel, that's the only difference. Israel accepted the 1947 partition of the land, while the arabs rejected it. That led to a war, in which the arabs lost. They went all in and lost. One can only imagine what would have happened to the jews in Israel if they would have won.

Likely something tragic akin to what occurred just ahead of 1947.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#109

Post by mysecretaccount »

voz_ wrote: post #99
mysecretaccount wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, neither of us is going to change the other's view here, so it is not useful to go back and forth like this. If you wanted an answer to that question you could look it up, like I have looked up the arguments and counter arguments to the apartheid question. What is interesting is that the tide is turning and your view is becoming less common, especially among the youth in developed nations, particularly Ireland. T…

I am sad you are not open to being swayed, what is the value of coming to a discussion with no intent to change your own mind? How can you visit to offer opinions, with the intent to change others minds, but not be open to having your own changed? Perhaps this topic is near and dear to you, so it is difficult. I do recommend re-evaluating how you think about common discussion spaces like these, and the nature of disa…

To be totally honest, I do not believe from your comments in other threads on this article that you are arguing from a place of good faith. I am more than happy to discuss Israeli apartheid with someone whom I disagree but you seem to just want to waste our time with tedium and nationalist rhetoric.

Re: Google Employees Oppose Company's Cooperation with Israel

#110

Post by mysecretaccount »

JanSt wrote: post #100
mysecretaccount wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend checking out the disparity in terms of casualties and general suffering this year alone ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_... ) and working backward. This talk ( https://youtu.be/MON2HL02mec ) of Norman Finkelstein is also a solid introduction.

Please be more specific. A disparity in casualties is to be expected in this kind of conflict. It also says nothing about who started what, who wants to erase whom etc. Regarding Finkelstein (who has been endorsed by David Duke and others): Bronzik, Benz, Seligmann and many more have shown many flaws in his book. It's easy to throw some articles around and put appeals to authority ("Finkelstein is also a solid introd…

Ah, another tedious, bad faith request for more detailed information, complete with ad hominem "Finkelstein was endorsed by a white supremacist"! How many of these HN accounts are you posting from this evening?
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