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LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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post #45

So my choice is to trust one of either: 1. The Mozilla developers who are capturing telemetry, but probably just using it to push ads (at worst, and possibly not even that). 2. Some new devs who may have good intentions, but who are unknown to me, who are not capturing telemetry, but nevertheless have control over my browser.

It's just a custom build of the latest Firefox version with some patches applied. Everything is very well documented and you can build it by yourself, there is no need to trust "some new devs who may have good intentions"

To echo a sibling comment, I think you may be discounting the time and effort it would take to monitor every change made and the ripple effects of each change.

One of the key pieces of open source is the larger a project, the more people will be incentivized to monitor the code for malicious changes. This distributes the burden to a much much larger pool therefore minimizing the burden to single nodes across the board.

Is it perfect? No, absolutely not. Do malicious or unintentional bugs slip through? Sure. But when it comes to scaled out projects, nothing is perfect and never will be. I certainly trust a large open project with years of reputation built up and a large user base significantly more than a large closed source project or large and open with no reputation.

There are of course valid criticisms of this model but I’ve yet to see an alternative put forward that isn’t fraught with its own issues.

I do find it strange how over the past few years we’ve seen a number of people who engage in a whiplash type behavior where they see minor problems with a model so they whiplash away into a far worse model with far more serious problems.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it becoming a truism that (in this space) the profit motive will inevitably lead to user abuse? Maybe we need more 501c3 and benefit corps providing basic stuff like an internet browser?

cough Mozilla is dead in the water cough

The mozilla Foundation doesn't provide their browser, the mozilla for-profit subsidiary corporation does.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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LibreWolf is mostly a bunch of policies. If you go into the preferences pane, you should see a note: 'Your browser is being managed by your organization'. When you click the link, there's a bunch of 'features' disabled like telemetry, auto-updates etc. It also has the about:config section heavily tweaked and modified.

Doing all that on stock Firefox is a lot of work which is why I prefer the developers of LibreWolf to do it for me. Call me lazy if you want.

There is the added benefit of new Firefox features getting stripped in later releases of LibreWolf that otherwise would have gone un-noticed by me. Also: Trimming down the browser traffic and stopping it from being really chatty with Mozilla servers is great (if you don't like Mozilla for whatever reason).

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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post #56
post #45

So my choice is to trust one of either: 1. The Mozilla developers who are capturing telemetry, but probably just using it to push ads (at worst, and possibly not even that). 2. Some new devs who may have good intentions, but who are unknown to me, who are not capturing telemetry, but nevertheless have control over my browser.

It's just a custom build of the latest Firefox version with some patches applied. Everything is very well documented and you can build it by yourself, there is no need to trust "some new devs who may have good intentions"

It’s easy without a code review, just trace it’s network activity and see what connections it makes.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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post #67
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a custom build of the latest Firefox version with some patches applied. Everything is very well documented and you can build it by yourself, there is no need to trust "some new devs who may have good intentions"

Sure, I could review the source code. And then review it again next week when a change is released. I don’t want to have to though. Trust matters. I don’t trust Mozilla not to push ads, but I do trust them not to build in intentional backdoors and steal my personal data, because there’s a whole public organization there, with a reputation and responsibilities and heads that will roll if they are caught doing nefariou…

Or just trace it’s network activity without a code audit.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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post #107

LibreWolf is a pretty good firefox fork, But i would always use firefox with tweaks and user.js. Don't trust forks much, As i rather put my data with firefox plus mullvad vpn works with them on their vpn service. And mullvad is a really good privacy vpn...

Why not just audit the network activity? It’s all the evidence I need.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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post #121

I examined this and it appears that you can get the same effect yourself by enabling ETP strict mode, disabling telemetry and suggestions, and installing uBlock Origin in Firefox, which is a pretty common configuration for a lot of people. I suppose it's easier to just install this and have that already set up, but it's not exactly hard to do this in Firefox for the average HN reader and you most likely /already have…

If anything, these types of projects should come as some sort of external wrapper to help you compile or configure the software to give you the wanted behavior. I don’t know a lot about how Arch’s AUR works but this seems like something that could be made an AUR package for example with special configuration while still using “base” Firefox to put it together, rather than profiling it as a new product.

It depends on how they plan to diverge from upstream firefox. Given enough source code changes a fork might be justifiable.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

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Once I would have used this, but I can't just can't bring myself to trust forks by small or unknown teams. We trust browsers with passwords to everything in our lives, like our bank details. The FAQ doesn't even cover who created LibreWolf. Why should I trust them? Even if I do trust the developers, are they really capable of keeping a modern complex browser secure in the hostile environment of todays internet? It ha…

I feel the same as you. It is great that there is another variants at the same time, we already have more than 6 FF variants and they are behind with security patches and updates. I recalled that WaterFox and Pale Moon are quite of versions behind Firefox.

Would be nice to have a FF variant that are capable to be equal as Firefox like Chrome, Brave & Vivaldi. For Firefox variant, I couldn't think of variant that could have an equal footing.

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nobody knows how to pronounce it, for one. Is it /libre/ (Standard Spanish) or /libʁə/ (Standard French) or /libχ/ (Northern French, esp. Parisian) or /la͡ɪbɚ/ (RP import) or /la͡ɪbɛɹ/ (GA import) or /libɹe/ (GA Spanish import)? But that's a symptom of a different pair of issues, namely: (1) it's ambiguous what language the word is in, and (2) neither of those languages are really tech field lingua francas (E…

Libre comes from Latin, via Norman and New Orleans French, to American English. It seems to me quite well chosen, as tech lingua franca.

American English does not have this word. It uses it only as parts of other phrases imported from French or Spanish, with Spanish being the more predominant (more people have seen Nacho Libre than partake in vers libre).

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/libre

Re: LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

#140
post #32

When I heard about all these shenanigans over at Firefox, I switched to Vivaldi, and I am enjoying the experience so far

Its not free or open software, so using it is a step back.

This indeed is true and I truly wish they made Vivaldi open source. However, free and open software is an ideal. Like any ideal, it can be used as a front and abused inna way that defeats its purpose.

In its original form, free and open is noble. But since then, corporations have figured out how to monetise it. So, IMHO, we need to be very careful about anything free and open coming from corporations because their core objectives are very much orthogonal to the core objectives of the original free and open software movement. Those execs aren't the hackers who built the gnu/Linux tools in the early days.

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