LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

Post by dmos62 » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #105

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>Why are there not more successful forks of Firefox? [...] What's preventing other forks from taking off Some of the replies to your question state "money" but there are also more fundamental reasons of choosing Chromium over Gecko: technical functionality and performance (especially on mobile) . You'd think an ex-Firefox programmer and Mozilla co-founder such as Brendan Eich would have chosen Gecko for Brave but he…

I neither want nor need DRM to work. I'd rather have the ability of ad-blocking and similar extensions to work on a deeper level, instead of crippling them, like on chromium-based browsers. What about mono-culture and the risk there of? edit: Availability of working DRM is what it all boils down to.

Post by mg » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

cmeacham98 wrote: post #104

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Yes, that is what I want to look at. The real resource impact of starting the browser, looking at a website and closing the browser. Using an in-browser tool to measure that would be like asking a robber how much they stole.

Most people don't close and open their browser between page visits, so time spend opening/closing the browser is a magnitude of importance less than time spent loading the page. I'd rather have a browser that takes 10secs to start and 0.1secs to render a page than 2sec to start and 1sec for each page render. Additionally, timing externally like this ends up indirectly measuring unrelated metrics like the speed of you…

Post by LargoLasskhyfv » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 2:34 PM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #111

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #105

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I neither want nor need DRM to work. I'd rather have the ability of ad-blocking and similar extensions to work on a deeper level, instead of crippling them, like on chromium-based browsers. What about mono-culture and the risk there of? edit: Availability of working DRM is what it all boils down to.

I haven't kept up to date. Is Chromium hostile towards ad blocking?

Post by dmos62 » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 2:36 PM UTC

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Why are there not more successful forks of Firefox? While it's still my browser of choice, I think it's safe to say there are a significant number of developers who are not happy with the leadership of Mozilla. What's preventing other forks from taking off?

One reason is that there's a ton of social pressure not to fork, for example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29106440 Another is that doing so, and sustaining the effort, is a non-trivial amount of work. Throwing up a web page and a single release is one thing. Keeping up with the release cadence of an org like Mozilla, and the demands and expectations of a browser user base is something entirely different. Als…

Post by DoingIsLearning » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

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I think that Mozilla is harming Firefox much more with their decisions. Adding ads to address bar and sending metadata to unknown third parties alienated lots of users, I can’t blame them for looking for alternatives - or making one.

I'm not thrilled with every decision Mozilla has ever made but I think people have gotten so used to the unlimited resources that Apple, Microsoft, and Google are able to pour into their unprofitable ecosystem moats that they've lost sight of what running a self sustaining business in this space would even look like.