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Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by schneems »

ya3r wrote: post #220

Nat was a great CEO. The best that could have happened to Github after the acquisition IMO. The one time that I won't forget about Github under Nat, was when they stood up for Iranian developers [1]. They went the extra distance to get a permission/license from the US government specially to offer full Github to developers from Iran. Many other companies didn't do something similar. [1]: https://github.blog/2021-01-0…

I didn’t see the Iran thing. That’s interesting.

I’m still personally waiting on “leveraging the vast resources of Microsoft will have the greatest likelihood of affecting public policy” regarding ICE.

That was 2019. It’s almost like he didn’t actually intend on doing anything about it.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by arp242 »

xxs wrote: post #380
arp242 wrote: post #379

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> It’s not FUD if Microsoft has a history of EEE. When is the last time Microsoft "EEE"-ed anything? The most recent examples are 20 years old. And look, you should never trust $bigcorp blindly, that would be naïve, but people have these 20-year old grievances that have little bearing on the situation today.

skype, lync, skype for business, teams...

Skype was never anywhere near "open" and always fully proprietary. It was just a change of management, and nowhere near "EEE".

Teams is just a run-of-the-mill chat thingy, no? Was is ever open in any way or built on standards? What did they "embrace" or "extend"?

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by outside1234 »

mmcnl wrote: post #308
outside1234 wrote: post #58

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He integrated Github with Microsoft and didn't screw it up. That is quite an accomplishment honestly.

How is GitHub integrated actually? Honest question. I use GitHub almost daily and I almost forgot MS acquired GitHub.

It is treated as a separate subsidiary - you have to actually turn in your badge at Microsoft and get a GitHub badge if you go work there.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by jhugo »

zerkten wrote: post #360
mschuster91 wrote: post #352

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> They also went the extra-mile to block Iranian developers, they didn't have to do so much police, and probably tried to buy their redemption. US sanctions, even the threat thereof, are serious business . To this day, US nationals or US tax persons are having a really hard time finding a bank in Europe that is willing to deal with them because many banks don't want any exposure to the US FATCA they can avoid. I had…

I'm curious how they discover this if they are trying to stay so distant from US authorities. If you have EU citizenship which is what I assume here then presenting the Greek passport and supporting local documents isn't enough? Or, is it the case that something local like a missing local tax number, or even an accent telegraphed the situation. With the US, it feels like everything is much more uniform with the tie b…

Every bank I've opened an account with in recent years has asked multiple specific questions about any ties to the US during the account opening process. One even asked if I'd ever had a US telephone number or mailing address.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

FpUser wrote: post #351
judge2020 wrote: post #307

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Despite Visual Studio being a paid product it's always slow and a pain to use. Maybe they should fix that instead of trying to gatekeep features. Don't forget https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262

I use Visual Studio to develop software ( C++ ) for Windows and Linux targets. I do not find it slow and rather than being "pain" it is actually way above other development IDEs in my opinion.

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Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by yepthatsreality »

arp242 wrote: post #392
xxs wrote: post #380

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skype, lync, skype for business, teams...

Skype was never anywhere near "open" and always fully proprietary. It was just a change of management, and nowhere near "EEE". Teams is just a run-of-the-mill chat thingy, no? Was is ever open in any way or built on standards? What did they "embrace" or "extend"?

EEE doesn't have to involve "open" anything. You're moving the goal post.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by yepthatsreality »

unreal37 wrote: post #389
xxs wrote: post #380

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skype, lync, skype for business, teams...

Microsoft acquired Skype more than 10 years ago... Surely they screwed up the massive lead in the space that Skype had, but I can't say they "EEE"'d it. It was just badly run.

Poor management/neglect is part of the extinguish step.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by yepthatsreality »

dirkg wrote: post #368
yepthatsreality wrote: post #340

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It’s not FUD if Microsoft has a history of EEE. I’m rolling my eyes hard at your claim of VS Code as best in class. If the category is JS-powered code editors then I’ll surely give them that title. However BS Code has many flaws compared to other IDEs. One being that it’s restricted in performance by the language it’s written in. I don’t use those products so I must not be apart of everyone?

Have you used Atom, Sublime etc? VS Code is far better than them, and its an actual IDE. I don't know how much you work in JS but VSC is the defacto choice for everyone and has a million extensions while still being fast. If you don't work in that area then its understandable but you really shouldn't comment on it in that case. Its not competing with VS for instance.

I have used Atom, VS Code, Vim, Nano, SublimeText, Notepad++, Jetbrains IDEs, etc. I currently use SublimeText and Javascript is the primary language at my employer (beating out Perl, PHP, Ruby, Python, Groovy, Java, and Typescript). SublimeText has plenty of supported plugins and is even faster and can handle larger files than VS Code. I'm not here to dick measure though.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by passivate »

adev_ wrote: post #365
passivate wrote: post #348

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> it's more that major organizations and industries won't use a programming platform that is entirely at the whims of a company they have no real control over and without independent means to ensure it keeps on working, That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable. We live in an interdependent world. You're always going to be dependent on sup…

> That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable. Honestly: No If it would be "easily quantifiable", you would not see in 2021 still bank ATM running damn Windows XP or nuclear power plant under Win2000 with some old deprecated crap supervisor tools. It is a common drama with proprietary solutions, they are seducing to install and a nightmare t…

>If it would be "easily quantifiable", you would not see in 2021 still bank ATM running damn Windows XP or nuclear power plant under Win2000 with some old deprecated crap supervisor tools.

Why would you not see that? The risk profile is well understood, and can be mitigated. Sandboxes, firewalls, app-containers, input sanitization, Virtual Machines, etc, etc, etc.

I don't quite understand exactly what you're disagreeing with?

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by geofft »

adev_ wrote: post #365
passivate wrote: post #348

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> it's more that major organizations and industries won't use a programming platform that is entirely at the whims of a company they have no real control over and without independent means to ensure it keeps on working, That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable. We live in an interdependent world. You're always going to be dependent on sup…

> That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable. Honestly: No If it would be "easily quantifiable", you would not see in 2021 still bank ATM running damn Windows XP or nuclear power plant under Win2000 with some old deprecated crap supervisor tools. It is a common drama with proprietary solutions, they are seducing to install and a nightmare t…

I don't understand. Is your claim that ATMs are running Windows XP because Microsoft did get buried under a pile of ash in the early '00s and released no further OS upgrades, and therefore it would have been better for the ATM manufacturer to use an open-source OS because they, unlike Windows, survived to 2021?

Nobody in this thread is arguing that everything in the world is perfect. There are a lot of bad things in the world. (The fact that we haven't figured out a reliable, scalable way to develop major F/OSS projects without the backing of companies that either sell proprietary software or do far worse things is certainly one of them!)

The specific argument in this subthread is about whether it's okay to build your business on proprietary software or whether there's too much of a risk that the vendor will stop producing updates. If they aren't interested in updates when they actually happened, then clearly this wasn't a concern for them.

(Also, have you never seen people running extremely out-of-date versions of F/OSS operating systems?)

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