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Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by judge2020 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #344
ghuntley wrote: post #282

In case people missed it. There was two promotions today. A new CEO at GitHub and the person GitHub reports to a MSFT also got promoted. Here’s the internal msft email https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29098640 This person at MSFT who got promoted is the one that caused the problems in the dotnet community where features that had a go-live RTM license (as in merged and ready for long term support) were removed fro…

I use most of those technologies daily, and I'm across much of the "controversies" and issues, but I don't get what you're hinting at. Feel free to be more candid...

There’s a large conflict of interest when Visual Studio is a paid commercial product, while VS Code is free yet gaining marketshare even in C#/C++ work. When someone is willing to sacrifice the OSS-licensed product (even after the feature was already coded[0]), it shows Microsoft’s true colors in that they “embrace OSS” only to the extent select teams at MS choose too; the culture isn’t one that puts OSS first over sales.

0: https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22262

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by judge2020 »

mritchie712 wrote: post #343
ghuntley wrote: post #282

In case people missed it. There was two promotions today. A new CEO at GitHub and the person GitHub reports to a MSFT also got promoted. Here’s the internal msft email https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29098640 This person at MSFT who got promoted is the one that caused the problems in the dotnet community where features that had a go-live RTM license (as in merged and ready for long term support) were removed fro…

What do you mean by Python being under them?

Perhaps https://devblogs.microsoft.com/python/supporting-the-python-...

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by m0zg »

oaiey wrote: post #262
lmickh wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hundreds of developers were moved from Azure teams to the GitHub org about a year or so ago. Several new features they have added are effectively rebranding/built on top of other Azure projects. GitHub is hardly at arms length from MS.

Let us be straight: they effectively made the Azure DevOps (the leftover from the once might Team Foundation Server) a weak product to further foster GitHub. So when this team brought some tech over, that just means, they are now working for GitHub primarily and no longer on Azure DevOps.

Now I'm REALLY worried. Bringing in a large number of people like that at MS means they brought in A TON of managers, leads, and program managers. At MS these categories of folks get ahead primarily through political warfare, "networking", and stabbing each other in the back, and given large enough critical mass, that's what they'll continue to do, unless organizationally isolated from the rest of GH. Or at least that's how it was a little over a decade ago.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by m0zg »

bmitc wrote: post #357
m0zg wrote: post #131

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We'll see soon enough. If this is what's going on, the process rarely takes more than a year, year and a half.

Microsoft acquired GitHub around two and a half years ago. GitHub has improved greatly over that period. This CEO was already a Microsoft employee when the acquisition occurred.

Crucially, Nat wasn't a "lifer". Crucially as well, whatever the reason is, he's giving up his $1M+/yr comp package to go work elsewhere. A MS "lifer" wouldn't have done that.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by adev_ »

passivate wrote: post #348
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #339

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> It is pretty cool that this isn't true. But the idea that Microsoft organizationally having control over the .NET open source project is somehow bad for open source is just incomprehensible to me, who grew up on .NET not being open source at all. It's not about open-source: it's more that major organizations and industries won't use a programming platform that is entirely at the whims of a company they have no real…

> it's more that major organizations and industries won't use a programming platform that is entirely at the whims of a company they have no real control over and without independent means to ensure it keeps on working, That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable. We live in an interdependent world. You're always going to be dependent on sup…

> That is a risk that is common to every single industry, and as such is a risk that is easily understood and quantifiable.

Honestly: No

If it would be "easily quantifiable", you would not see in 2021 still bank ATM running damn Windows XP or nuclear power plant under Win2000 with some old deprecated crap supervisor tools.

It is a common drama with proprietary solutions, they are seducing to install and a nightmare to maintain.

This even more due to the decision to use these "vertically integrated proprietary (crap) solution" are generally taken by executive level without any long term thinking and that will be long way gone when the mess need to be cleaned-up

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by ljm »

ya3r wrote: post #220

Nat was a great CEO. The best that could have happened to Github after the acquisition IMO. The one time that I won't forget about Github under Nat, was when they stood up for Iranian developers [1]. They went the extra distance to get a permission/license from the US government specially to offer full Github to developers from Iran. Many other companies didn't do something similar. [1]: https://github.blog/2021-01-0…

I once posted on here to give feedback about the new UI they were testing out at Github. The UI that you now see.

All I said was that it's cool but I can't see the latest commit status (the result of your CI pipeline) any more, and that I sent that feedback through the official channels as it were. I think I tacked a less favourable comment on the end and that was also answered.

First reply to my HN comment was from Nat, acknowledging it.

That was cool. Also, solid leadership.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by depressedpanda »

fragmede wrote: post #267
rarkins wrote: post #239

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I agree. youtube-dl was another example of them turning a vulnerable moment into a win: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1328365679473426432

Which, btw, was also thanks to the EFF. Their mission is occasionally murky these days, but their part in the subsequent restoration of youtube-dl in the face of a DMCA takedown is not to be ignored or forgotten. https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/11/2020-11-1...

In what way is their mission occasionally murky?

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by dirkg »

yepthatsreality wrote: post #340
dirkg wrote: post #338

Microsoft buying Github was the best thing that could've happened to Github/open source in general. Screw the people who still spread MS FUD. I cannot think of any other company, certainly not FB/Goog (Amzn has nothing in this space and no interest outside paid AWS services) that would've done anything close to what MS have done. Everything is better, tons of things are now free, integration has improved, there's ful…

It’s not FUD if Microsoft has a history of EEE. I’m rolling my eyes hard at your claim of VS Code as best in class. If the category is JS-powered code editors then I’ll surely give them that title. However BS Code has many flaws compared to other IDEs. One being that it’s restricted in performance by the language it’s written in. I don’t use those products so I must not be apart of everyone?

Have you used Atom, Sublime etc? VS Code is far better than them, and its an actual IDE. I don't know how much you work in JS but VSC is the defacto choice for everyone and has a million extensions while still being fast. If you don't work in that area then its understandable but you really shouldn't comment on it in that case. Its not competing with VS for instance.

Re: Thank you, GitHub

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Post by geomark »

zerkten wrote: post #360
mschuster91 wrote: post #352

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> They also went the extra-mile to block Iranian developers, they didn't have to do so much police, and probably tried to buy their redemption. US sanctions, even the threat thereof, are serious business . To this day, US nationals or US tax persons are having a really hard time finding a bank in Europe that is willing to deal with them because many banks don't want any exposure to the US FATCA they can avoid. I had…

I'm curious how they discover this if they are trying to stay so distant from US authorities. If you have EU citizenship which is what I assume here then presenting the Greek passport and supporting local documents isn't enough? Or, is it the case that something local like a missing local tax number, or even an accent telegraphed the situation. With the US, it feels like everything is much more uniform with the tie b…

In some places the family name tips them off. Like here in Thailand a Thai woman who is married to a westerner and has his last name will have to fill out a form stating whether or not they are a US person.
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