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(Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Where do I even start with this mess of an essay?

I wish the writing style was more clear and succinct. This writer desperately needs an editor. It's hard to tell exactly what they are really trying to say. Instead they meander across a few different broad points like "capitalism is bad" or "the cultural imperialism of western music tech companies is diminishing representation of non-western musical traditions." and it's hard to know exactly what they're ultimately getting at. Instead they pepper the reader with lots of vague grievances without focusing on anything in particular or tying it together in a novel way.

While these critiques can certainly be valid, the author doesn't seem to have much to add to old tropes regarding topics of design and product development. There are so many pedantic and silly points for me to contest in this essay that it would bore everyone to go through all of them. Let's see if we can't, instead, address some of the larger points:

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POINT #1: Capitalism is having a negative effect on the domain of music making plugins:

I don't see it. As a producer and audio engineer of 15+ years it's never been a better time to be a music maker. New and existing tools grant music makers tremendous creative power. I can now do processes that would have taken my predecessors 10x as much effort on gear that was far more cost prohibitive than the offerings today and with sometimes worse results. Such tools of today have also never been cheaper. The average price of software tools seems to be trending downwards.

They also denigrate companies like NI who offer an ecosystem of hardware and software products that easily integrate with each other for ease of flow and performance. Like that's a bad thing. This integration (when it works - and it does) is very much a desirable quality in music making tools. I don't see any downside to these type of products.

Perhaps there's a point to be made about the over-saturation of plugin developers dragging prices lower to the point where they cannot make a living. Some sort of a race to the bottom. But I don't see that being stated in this article. As soon as they start to build steam on these points they shift gears - without warning - to:

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POINT #2: Non-western music systems are not well-represented in these products.

This is valid. Few DAWs offer integration of non-western tuning systems. Those that do offer the feature require extra effort to work in compared to the "native" equal temperament tuning that the DAW is built for. I don't know why exactly this is. I'd certainly be open to this feature, but I suspect that integrating multiple tuning systems in an intuitive and easy manner in a DAW requires a lot of development effort for a feature that a majority of their user base may not be asking for. That said, I don't know what the numbers for users who desire something like this.

That said, they undermine their point when they go on to say:

As the owner of each of these products I don't see what their issue is. Both the East Asia and Middle East instrument packs feature options for at least 4-8 alternate tuning systems that can then be played on a piano-style MIDI keyboard or piano roll. What more do they want? If they want these tuning systems to be mapped onto something other than a western piano keyboard then it's up the musician to purchase a non-piano (micro-tonal) MIDI keyboard that will support the mapping. There's very little else they can do in this instance.

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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> The Switzerland-based Behringer’s business model involves cloning famous pieces of music gear, with precisely enough design changes to evade trademark disputes, at a fraction of the original price. It is arguably a form of cultural and intellectual appropriation that parallels colonialism’s appropriation of Indigenous technologies and instruments, and forcing them out of the market with cheap, Fordist modes of prod…

Yeah. “Oh no, here comes Behringer, they’ll make a cheap clone of your synthesizer.” Or something like that. Most of what they make copies of is stuff that’s 40 years out of date, but “classic” for whatever reason. The Minimoog came out in 1970, and you can buy a new one for about $3500 today. Or you can buy a Behringer Model D for about $350. It’s not going to have the same level of performance, but it still puts th…

I agree with you, but Behringer are not limited to recreating only vintage gear. This week they unveiled a cheap clone of Moog's DFAM drum synthesizer. A model that's roughly 4 years old. Behringer are particularly shameless about copying the work of others in this space. It's not illegal, but it's widely considered to be a shameful practice among those in the industry.

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 303 defined acid, but now that we know what acid sounds like, you don’t need the 303 any more. Like, 90% of what made 303 lines sound unique is in the sequencer, which you can program into a DAW or something once you know how it’s done (it’s a fairly basic step sequencer with a couple quirks, but those quirks are easy to replicate). Use a simple subtractive synth, turn the filter knob around, set the resonance pr…

> “3+1 poles” I see you know your 303s :) The acid I can get from a Virus or SH-101 is acid but not from a 303, and the sequencing I can get from a Rytm definitely has that slide/glide vibe, so I totally get what you're saying. ... I guess if you know what you're doing you can make anything sound like something else, especially in a mix, it's just that sticking with a certain synth for that sound can make it hell of…

Oh, for sure. The TB-303 makes it easy to get that sound right away. I think people should be picking out synths based on UX… the faster you can get the sound that you are looking for, the more time you spend making music. TB-303 gives you acid, like, instantly. Course, if you’re picky about tweaking your pattern and getting it just the way you like, you might hate the TB-303’s sequencer—something that became much easier if you e.g. had Virus and a MIDI sequencer, once that was available circa 2000.

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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This is just thinly veiled communism with buzzwords, dislike of the rich because they're rich and identity politics complaining about how the music production is “white” without defining what makes music white or colonialist. >Francisco’s agenda is clear: democratization leads to consolidation, which leads to platformization, which leads to profits. No its not clear, its their fantasy projected. >Adobe, whose extorti…

> and identity politics complaining about how the music production is “white” without defining what makes music white or colonialist. Several examples were given, referencing available music scales and tools for eliminating dialect and individual variation. They also gave citations for what they meant where they introduced this complaint. [1] 1. Philip Ewell, ‘Music Theory and the White Racial Frame’ Music Theory Onl…

>For over twenty years, music theory has tried to diversify with respect to race, yet the field today remains remarkably white, not only in terms of the people who practice music theory but also in the race of the composers and theorists whose work music theory privileges. In this paper, a critical-race examination of the field of music theory, I try to come to terms with why this is so. I posit that there exists a “white racial frame” in music theory that is structural and institutionalized, and that only through a deframing and reframing of this white racial frame will we begin to see positive racial changes in music theory.

Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough.

They complain about the company stealing cultural music, while they complain that nonwhite world music doesn’t exist and can’t be made on it. They can’t have it both ways. https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spot... it’s just another meaningless complaint that has no bearing on reality like all their complains. How stupid are they to complain it’s both taking cultural music and not allowing people to make anything but white music?

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> “3+1 poles” I see you know your 303s :) The acid I can get from a Virus or SH-101 is acid but not from a 303, and the sequencing I can get from a Rytm definitely has that slide/glide vibe, so I totally get what you're saying. ... I guess if you know what you're doing you can make anything sound like something else, especially in a mix, it's just that sticking with a certain synth for that sound can make it hell of…

Oh, for sure. The TB-303 makes it easy to get that sound right away. I think people should be picking out synths based on UX… the faster you can get the sound that you are looking for, the more time you spend making music. TB-303 gives you acid, like, instantly. Course, if you’re picky about tweaking your pattern and getting it just the way you like, you might hate the TB-303’s sequencer—something that became much ea…

Totally. I've sold a lot of gear because they had all the features yet took a long time to get what I wanted. Simplicity is what I'm aiming for these days and it's changed my workflow completely. Creativity rather than frustration!

... you're totally right - the easier it is, the more time you spend making music!

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Where do I even start with this mess of an essay? I wish the writing style was more clear and succinct. This writer desperately needs an editor. It's hard to tell exactly what they are really trying to say. Instead they meander across a few different broad points like "capitalism is bad" or "the cultural imperialism of western music tech companies is diminishing representation of non-western musical traditions." and…

The writer just wrote a bunch of complaints that are messy that are full of communist buzzwords to appeal to anyone who just likes communist buzzwords. None of the points they bring up make sense nor are any of them factual. Its for non musicians to read, see that the program is seen as white and racist, have no idea how it works but they all agree its a bad program because the writer told them so.

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and identity politics complaining about how the music production is “white” without defining what makes music white or colonialist. Several examples were given, referencing available music scales and tools for eliminating dialect and individual variation. They also gave citations for what they meant where they introduced this complaint. [1] 1. Philip Ewell, ‘Music Theory and the White Racial Frame’ Music Theory Onl…

>For over twenty years, music theory has tried to diversify with respect to race, yet the field today remains remarkably white, not only in terms of the people who practice music theory but also in the race of the composers and theorists whose work music theory privileges. In this paper, a critical-race examination of the field of music theory, I try to come to terms with why this is so. I posit that there exists a “…

> Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white.

For it to remove any dialect, it has to consider some dialect as standard. Think about it.

> I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough.

Well if you're going to question-beg, then you can't really complain can you.

The rest of what you said is a different complaint than the one I answered, so you're moving the goal post but then setting up a straw man of what that person wrote when you say such music can't be made on it. They were specific in what they said and it didn't exclude the possibility of making some of it with it.

This subject is definitely something that's been discussed a lot in music lately, so apparently it's not that meaningless to many people. Adam Neely has a popular video on what people are talking about if you're curious. [1]

1. https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For over twenty years, music theory has tried to diversify with respect to race, yet the field today remains remarkably white, not only in terms of the people who practice music theory but also in the race of the composers and theorists whose work music theory privileges. In this paper, a critical-race examination of the field of music theory, I try to come to terms with why this is so. I posit that there exists a “…

> Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. For it to remove any dialect, it has to consider some dialect as standard. Think about it. > I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. Well if you're going to question-beg, then you can't really complain can…

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> Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. For it to remove any dialect, it has to consider some dialect as standard. Think about it. > I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. Well if you're going to question-beg, then you can't really complain can…

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It seems like you've already made up your mind. There's no problem and anyone bringing up a problem doesn't make sense and is making frivolous arguments and you're just going to call them names instead of look into any of it. I can't say I think that's the best way to approach it.

Re: (Music Production) Plug-In Capitalism

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. “Oh no, here comes Behringer, they’ll make a cheap clone of your synthesizer.” Or something like that. Most of what they make copies of is stuff that’s 40 years out of date, but “classic” for whatever reason. The Minimoog came out in 1970, and you can buy a new one for about $3500 today. Or you can buy a Behringer Model D for about $350. It’s not going to have the same level of performance, but it still puts th…

I agree with you, but Behringer are not limited to recreating only vintage gear. This week they unveiled a cheap clone of Moog's DFAM drum synthesizer. A model that's roughly 4 years old. Behringer are particularly shameless about copying the work of others in this space. It's not illegal, but it's widely considered to be a shameful practice among those in the industry.

The DFAM is a boring, conservative design to begin with. Not like synths need to be interesting anyway.

Eurorack and semi-modular stuff is getting more and more popular these days. If you design another semi-modular sound module out of a slightly different combination of the same underlying modules we’ve had since the the 1960s, you’re not innovating.

DFAM is kinda cool in that, if you like that sound, you can get it for a bit less money than it costs to buy the individual modules in Eurorack form. Or maybe you like normalled signal paths. But I can’t see why Behringer should be ashamed of copying it. There’s just not much substance to copy.

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