The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
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Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#2I doubt that the official number of 5m is accurate anyway, it's probably much less.
My grandma passed away last year, cause of death was registered as covid even though we all knew that it wasn't. I've heard about many similar to stories similar to mine I've also heard that hospitals can make money out of it.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#3I doubt that the official number of 5m is accurate anyway, it's probably much less. My grandma passed away last year, cause of death was registered as covid even though we all knew that it wasn't. I've heard about many similar to stories similar to mine I've also heard that hospitals can make money out of it.
Indeed not uncommon and there's also people who died of totally different causes (car crashes) who were registered as dying of COVID just because they tested positive. we dont have any good data.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#4I doubt that the official number of 5m is accurate anyway, it's probably much less. My grandma passed away last year, cause of death was registered as covid even though we all knew that it wasn't. I've heard about many similar to stories similar to mine I've also heard that hospitals can make money out of it.
This article is using excess deaths. What other explanation do you have for the large increase in deaths?
Note that Oceania had some of the longest and strictest lockdowns in the world, but very low actual covid deaths. But Oceania had very low excess deaths, so lockdowns don't seem to be a good explanation.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#5I doubt that the official number of 5m is accurate anyway, it's probably much less. My grandma passed away last year, cause of death was registered as covid even though we all knew that it wasn't. I've heard about many similar to stories similar to mine I've also heard that hospitals can make money out of it.
Indeed not uncommon and there's also people who died of totally different causes (car crashes) who were registered as dying of COVID just because they tested positive. we dont have any good data.
What about the excess deaths compared to other times?
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed not uncommon and there's also people who died of totally different causes (car crashes) who were registered as dying of COVID just because they tested positive. we dont have any good data.
What about the excess deaths compared to other times?
1. People stopped going to the hospital. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-29/coronavi...
2. Untrained nurses were operating the ventilators, resulting in deaths.
3. Massive unemployment
4. Very unheathly eating/drinking/no exercise habits of lockdown. Weight gain stress.
I could add more, but #1 is probably the biggest contributor. Surgeries were canceled, preventative care and diagnostic tests were drastically reduced during the "fearful" times. It is really sad.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed not uncommon and there's also people who died of totally different causes (car crashes) who were registered as dying of COVID just because they tested positive. we dont have any good data.
What about the excess deaths compared to other times?
> What about the excess deaths compared to other times?
So a single factor (COVID) is responsible for the excess death? That's simplification at best, because in reality nothing is ever a single-variable problem.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#8I doubt that the official number of 5m is accurate anyway, it's probably much less. My grandma passed away last year, cause of death was registered as covid even though we all knew that it wasn't. I've heard about many similar to stories similar to mine I've also heard that hospitals can make money out of it.
This article is using excess deaths. What other explanation do you have for the large increase in deaths? Note that Oceania had some of the longest and strictest lockdowns in the world, but very low actual covid deaths. But Oceania had very low excess deaths, so lockdowns don't seem to be a good explanation.
> What other explanation do you have for the large increase in deaths?
Lack of imagination much? See other commenter below explaining the various reasons why you might see excess death. Not everything is linked to COVID (at least not directly).
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about the excess deaths compared to other times?
1. People stopped going to the hospital. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-29/coronavi... 2. Untrained nurses were operating the ventilators, resulting in deaths. 3. Massive unemployment 4. Very unheathly eating/drinking/no exercise habits of lockdown. Weight gain stress. I could add more, but #1 is probably the biggest contributor. Surgeries were canceled, preventative care and diagnostic tests were d…
2 would be caused by covid. "People get covid induced pneumonia, but due to the overwhelming number of people in need of acute care, more than might normally do so die" is still "people dying due to covid"
1, 3 and 4 still happened in other parts of the world with even stricter lockdowns (Oceania, southeast Asia), but they didn't face the same excess mortality, so that doesn't fully explain things.
Re: The number of people who have died from Covid-19 is likely to be close to 17m
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
This article is using excess deaths. What other explanation do you have for the large increase in deaths? Note that Oceania had some of the longest and strictest lockdowns in the world, but very low actual covid deaths. But Oceania had very low excess deaths, so lockdowns don't seem to be a good explanation.
> What other explanation do you have for the large increase in deaths? Lack of imagination much? See other commenter below explaining the various reasons why you might see excess death. Not everything is linked to COVID (at least not directly).
Except that commenters reasons don't actually explain the observed effects. If lockdown policies were the cause, we'd have seen increased excess mortality in Australia, New Zealand and parts of Southeast Asia correlated with lockdowns. As far as I know, we didn't.
You'd also expect some level of lag, a decrease in preventative care would lead to things like missed cancer, not immediate excess mortality, which is the observed effect.