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The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by vineyardmike »

nradov wrote: post #145
kibwen wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm frustrated that everywhere I look I keep seeing "metaverse" and "VR" used interchangeably. All of the things described above are VR, and none of them are the metaverse. Watching TV or playing a game in an immersive, distraction-free VR environment sounds great, and will happen, and it's not the metaverse, it's just VR. Working in a virtual home office has the potential to be extremely productive, ergonomic, and s…

I see a lot of assumptions about office worker productivity with zero real world evidence. A lot of home office workers never learned to touch type. How the heck are they supposed to do office work if they can't see their fingers on the keyboard? Voice recognition is no solution, it still sucks for text entry and is completely useless for anything like slide presentations or spreadsheets. There is legitimate potentia…

Like others said, occluding the keyboard into VR is suprisingly capable, especially when combined with touch typing.

Also most CAD users would probably not want cludgy UI like VR has today, they want keyboard and mouse too.

I suggest looking at the demo/videos of Horizon Workspace (by meta). It works really well, although the resolution is too low for me tooday.

Then there is this guy that was on HN recently:

https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by SavantIdiot »

clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

Now you can read the book in the metaverse!

Kidding. Kinda.

Obligatory Futurama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6eRqMiAxQ0

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by [deleted] »

bluedino wrote: post #31
clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

The amount of 25-35 year old adults that play video games is pretty huge.

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Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by colordrops »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #140
colordrops wrote: post #121

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What are the standards around this? I was unaware of much, if any, recent development on such standards. Even so why is no one with adequate resources working on growing adoption of standards, whether it be academia, DARPA, or corporate entities?

Standards of online networking or the metaverse? Its the internet. You can run 3D crap in a browser.

"you can run crap on nand gates"

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by nsxwolf »

vineyardmike wrote: post #41
clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

I read a recent interview from mark zuck about the metaverse and someone asked him a similar question. He had an actually really insightful answer. 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games. (The actual per-person-per-day numbers are very high compared to the average 2hr/week i watch tv but whatever). Most of TV and Video Games are about ignoring re…

I have a Quest 2 and had a Vive before that. The Quest 2 is way more convenient. But I'm still too tired/lazy to put it on most of the time and would rather veg out on the couch.

I can't be the only one who feels this way?

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

vineyardmike wrote: post #41
clpm4j wrote: post #18

(Aware of the fact that I'm taking time out of my day to read HN) I really wonder how many adults > 25yrs and < 60yrs have the time to immerse themselves in any type of digital world / metaverse experience. If I was a teenager or in college, then yeah I can see it... but there are so many things to do in the 16hrs we have each day, and I already kick myself for not finishing that book, or getting an extra workout in,…

I read a recent interview from mark zuck about the metaverse and someone asked him a similar question. He had an actually really insightful answer. 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games. (The actual per-person-per-day numbers are very high compared to the average 2hr/week i watch tv but whatever). Most of TV and Video Games are about ignoring re…

Sure, that's also what sport coaches, musician teachers, people teaching cooking on youtube and librarians say.

Also you should get 8 hours of sleep, buy food at the farmers market, spend time with your familly, meditate, get this GTD rolling, and learn a new skill for your carreer.

But honestly, the truth is, as soon as VR is cheap and comfy, I think people will rush to it anyway for one reason: porn. So the metaverse can grow, if like in second life, it allows for porn to develop. But since FB tend to want a family friendly experience, I think we got a betamax vs VHS situation here.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by endisneigh »

mfer wrote: post #56
zemo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all Roblox games run on servers owned by the Roblox corporation so not really. Minecraft is totally federated, anyone can create their own Minecraft server if they want to. Roblox doesn't release the server software and doesn't let you run your own server, so you can never really own your own space; they own all of the spaces.

Who said something needs to be federated for it to be the metaverse? That's nowhere in the definition. I'd argue that scifi examples (like Ready Player One) show that it can be proprietary. I'm not saying it's good to be controlled by one org. Just that the number of orgs controlling the infra has nothing to do with being the metaverse or not.

Why do people cite fictional examples as if they matter at all? Honestly wondering. It's certainly good for imagining the possibilities, but this thread is talking about something that could actually happen.

Facebook itself would be a better example to your point as it's the largest social network.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by _nalply »

Guest19023892 wrote: post #99
astlouis44 wrote: post #87

No, it is not. Neither is Roblox or Fortnite, or VRchat. A single game or world is NOT the metaverse, what is so hard to understand about that for journalists and companies? The metaverse is the immersive internet, as a successor to our current one that is more 2D oriented around photos/videos/text today. It's a paradigm shift in how we interact, but most importantly there will be many of these virtual worlds/spaces…

The 2D internet works though because it's an efficient means of communication and data transfer. When I search the weather, check directions, send a message, book a flight, buy a shirt, or view the daily news, I can get that done fast on the existing internet. I don't want to load a 3D world to read an article. I don't need to walk around as a 3D avatar to ask a friend what time they're arriving. It's inefficient. It…

I underestimated Minecraft. I knew it is important, so I tried it out two years ago but dismissed it when I got killed by a zombie. I thought, fuck it, I don't need anxiety when it gets night in the game.

But then a friend of my son played Minecraft.

I installed Minecraft on a Chromebook then I watched the children figuring out Minecraft. I figured out lot of things, too.

When I discovered that they created a railway and put monsters onto the trolleys, first I had a hearty laugh then I got intrigued again. I discovered that Minecraft Education Edition has a coding environment similar to Scratch from MIT. I showed them how to create a giant ice cube and dig narrow aisles inside it. Next they created a giant cube of TNT and set it off.

Anyway, I think what will happen: you can't centrally create a world. You need people. So when I read the article I found myself just nodding.

People will find ways how to define and use the metaverse, not that company.

Re: The metaverse is already here – it's Minecraft

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Post by ksaj »

8note wrote: post #110
vineyardmike wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a recent interview from mark zuck about the metaverse and someone asked him a similar question. He had an actually really insightful answer. 1) Most american adults watch several hours of TV per day. alternatively, many play a few hours of video games. (The actual per-person-per-day numbers are very high compared to the average 2hr/week i watch tv but whatever). Most of TV and Video Games are about ignoring re…

Can you actually wear the heavy goggles for that long?

Between that and staring downward at the phone while walking down the street, this will all be a blessing for chiropractors.
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