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Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#111

Here's where Facebook's brand reputation sits in my mind today: I do not believe them at all. I do not believe they've had some change of heart regarding "many concerns about the place of facial recognition technology in society." I do not believe they intend to not use this technology in some other privacy-invading way. Trying to figure out their real angle here. Avoid regulation? "Good" PR at a time when they despe…

They want the feature regulated/pariahed so no other social network can leverage it.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then, it's probably FB that facilitated that kind of behavior, so more mixed feelings.

Now there's one less tool to help the victim of such abuse though.

This comment to me shows that it’s impossible to keep the public happy. HN likes to rail on all these big tech companies amassing and abusing data, and here as they go deleting one of the most Orwellian parts it gets complaints.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#113

So sad that we can't have nice things. I like the feature that automatically tags people in pictures. Sometimes I have trouble remembering people's names (not face blindness or similar, just regular trouble I guess). I would love to have smart glasses that show the name of someone I've met before but don't quite remember. But alas, our society being what it is people will abuse facial recognition, so I can't have tha…

The question is are you ok with some stranger adding a picture of you on facebook and then facebook promptly tags you on their profile.

I’m pretty sure it was only applied on Facebook friends posts, ideally those are not strangers.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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post #28

The hoops they have to jump through just to enable some really cool features down the line is sad. I don't know why adding another opt in wasn't enough, it's not like the haters are going to believe they deleted the templates anyways.

“Haters” ok. I feel like that is just a cheap deflection from legitimate criticism.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same way that you verify that the local chicken plant is properly following contamination prevention procedures. You don’t, at least not personally. We as a society rely on government based regulations and knowledgeable inspectors to verify these things. I’d say software should be no different in these regards. (Though that isn’t currently the case.)

Reminds me of the drone photographers that were flying over pig farms in the south that were egregiously breaking laws. Instead of fixing the pig farms, they went after the photographers.

Authoritarian dysfunction. Killing the messenger.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#116

The facial recognition feature is how I figured out someone was doxxing and harassing me on their page. Getting the notification that it thinks I appeared in a photo they had ripped from my FB profile was the tip off. I have mixed feelings.

HN is bizarre sometimes. When this feature first appeared, everyone acted like it was the coming of the Antichrist. Now it’s going away and people have “mixed feelings”. I think people just love to hate big tech no matter what they’re doing.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#117

So sad that we can't have nice things. I like the feature that automatically tags people in pictures. Sometimes I have trouble remembering people's names (not face blindness or similar, just regular trouble I guess). I would love to have smart glasses that show the name of someone I've met before but don't quite remember. But alas, our society being what it is people will abuse facial recognition, so I can't have tha…

> So sad that we can't have nice things.

Privacy is also a nice thing.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#118

Serious question: I kind of liked how Facebook found people in my photos. Is there room for such a feature in a privacy conscious world?

Yes, there is. Instead of publicly auto-tagging you on the photo, FB could notify you that someone had uploaded a photo of you, and offer you to either:

1. Tag yourself on the photo

2. Censor yourself from the photo (blur, pixelate, black rectangle, whatever)

Voilá, now the same feature is used to give control over your data.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#119
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely one should be able to just tag _the album_ instead of each photo? I always figured this constraint was kept as a happy convenience so that Facebook have a steady supply of training data for their face recognition service. If they are shutting that service down, maybe they'll let us tag albums?

My wedding album has like 200 photos in it. I definitely had relatives who didn't want to look through them all and just asked me to send them the photos with them in it.

the ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

#120

Serious question: I kind of liked how Facebook found people in my photos. Is there room for such a feature in a privacy conscious world?

Yes, there is. Instead of publicly auto-tagging you on the photo, FB could notify you that someone had uploaded a photo of you, and offer you to either: 1. Tag yourself on the photo 2. Censor yourself from the photo (blur, pixelate, black rectangle, whatever) Voilá, now the same feature is used to give control over your data.

Here is an interesting question. Is it at that point your data? Wouldn't it be the data of who ever took the photo? Why would it belong to you just because you are in the photo?

I think giving users power over auto tagging make sense. But giving users power over other people's photos is a terrible idea.

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