It's always confusing to see what the internet police go after. Total scams ripping thousands to hundreds of thousands off from people (tech support scams etc). Crickets. An opt in feature on the facebook platform that is useful (at least to some). Multiple Attorney General press conferences :)
It makes more sense when you stop and think that there are no single group of "internet police" and that in reality it's millions of people with their ethics, personal views and natural inability to rank risk.
It's always confusing to see what the internet police go after. Total scams ripping thousands to hundreds of thousands off from people (tech support scams etc). Crickets. An opt in feature on the facebook platform that is useful (at least to some). Multiple Attorney General press conferences :)
But their facial recognition is not opt-in. You cannot prevent other people from uploading photos of you then tagging your face in them, training Facebook's facial recognition to your face even if you consciously never upload your image a single time.
I get what you're saying but that's unguided learning though.
Facebook doesn't have any way of linking that face fingerprint to you to even check your consent - but a part of me doubts that when they do make the link they remove the fingerprint bc you didn't opt in.
It's always confusing to see what the internet police go after. Total scams ripping thousands to hundreds of thousands off from people (tech support scams etc). Crickets. An opt in feature on the facebook platform that is useful (at least to some). Multiple Attorney General press conferences :)
The negative impact of facial recognition technology is much bigger than the impact of scams.
Serious question: I kind of liked how Facebook found people in my photos. Is there room for such a feature in a privacy conscious world?
The privacy cat is already out of the bag once someone uploads a photo of you without your consent. That's the root behavior that should be corrected, and it's hard because the onus is on the privacy-conscious user, to get everyone else's cooperation. The facial recognition just adds even more privacy-questionable metadata. My dream facial recognition feature for Facebook would be to allow me, as a non-user of Facebo…
That's kind of a radical position. People shouldn't take photos of crowds in public places? You want veto power over that?
The system no longer provides FB the same value it previously did. So they're taking it down, now that they've collected billions of images. Will they be deleting the trained models too? All artifacts and inferences? Hell no.
"the social network will delete the face scan data of more than one billion users." I believe it because facebook has nothing much to gain by lying about this small thing(after all they still have all the tracking data) and hell lot to loose by lying this straight face among employees.
> and hell lot to loose by lying this straight face among employees.
And if, in a year an employee speaks out and leaks that FB never deleted the data? What would happen then? I don't think anything would happen, they wouldn't lose much, and no one would be too surprised.
Serious question: I kind of liked how Facebook found people in my photos. Is there room for such a feature in a privacy conscious world?
The privacy cat is already out of the bag once someone uploads a photo of you without your consent. That's the root behavior that should be corrected, and it's hard because the onus is on the privacy-conscious user, to get everyone else's cooperation. The facial recognition just adds even more privacy-questionable metadata. My dream facial recognition feature for Facebook would be to allow me, as a non-user of Facebo…
the privacy has been broken once you've been photographed without your consent.
The same features for name association can be done offline once the picture exists. Just show people the picture, and see if anyone knows who it is
Pity. I liked the feature. Fortunately, we’ve mostly all moved over to use Google’s shared albums with automatic facial recognition and sharing. My friends all have photos I take of them and likewise they share theirs with me. I think Google has figured out a lot of fun sharing tools for people in trusted environments: location sharing, photo tagging, etc. I’m rather impressed with it all. Good stuff.
Same, though Google doesn't enable it for users in different countries. It's weird to be able to automatically share photos with a partner with face recognition, but then they can't reciprocate for some reason.
The privacy cat is already out of the bag once someone uploads a photo of you without your consent. That's the root behavior that should be corrected, and it's hard because the onus is on the privacy-conscious user, to get everyone else's cooperation. The facial recognition just adds even more privacy-questionable metadata. My dream facial recognition feature for Facebook would be to allow me, as a non-user of Facebo…
That's kind of a radical position. People shouldn't take photos of crowds in public places? You want veto power over that?
In the USA at least, there is no legal expectation of privacy on a public street. So, for news reporting purposes, you can publish photos of a crowd in public. However, as soon as you step onto private property, this changes. Even at places like shopping malls and stores, the owner of that place can take your photo for security, but cannot publish it, and it is not kosher for photographers to take photos of customers in these settings and publish them without getting a signed model release form the subject of the photo. Likewise, a photographer should get explicit permission for any other private spaces such as homes.
Here's where Facebook's brand reputation sits in my mind today: I do not believe them at all. I do not believe they've had some change of heart regarding "many concerns about the place of facial recognition technology in society." I do not believe they intend to not use this technology in some other privacy-invading way. Trying to figure out their real angle here. Avoid regulation? "Good" PR at a time when they despe…
The system no longer provides FB the same value it previously did. So they're taking it down, now that they've collected billions of images. Will they be deleting the trained models too? All artifacts and inferences? Hell no.
They have then politicized it by referring to "regulators" and "regulations" several times.