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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by gpm »

usui wrote: post #4

Does a history of enforcement help in cases like this? The article itself says that Truth Social is "antithetical" to Mastodon's values, but that there's nothing they can do about the usage of their software other than license violations. It sounds like they have a bias to enforce their license in this case. If Mastodon has a weak history of enforcing their license to other organizations, does it weaken the case? I'm…

Can you point to a case of someone violating mastadon's license and them not pursuing it?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by andrew_ »

What's the over/under on how many times this will be pushed to the front page?

Was going to post some prior discussion links, but there are over two pages of Google results for unique HN links on the topic: https://www.google.com/search?q=news.ycombinator.com+trump+m...

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by tialaramex »

usui wrote: post #4

Does a history of enforcement help in cases like this? The article itself says that Truth Social is "antithetical" to Mastodon's values, but that there's nothing they can do about the usage of their software other than license violations. It sounds like they have a bias to enforce their license in this case. If Mastodon has a weak history of enforcing their license to other organizations, does it weaken the case? I'm…

That trademark stuff is an excuse for wealthy litigious companies, it isn't actually how the law works and we should stop giving them a pass.

Disney, Nintendo and similar outfits can afford to go after people who weren't causing them any harm and so they do.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by spinny »

skocznymroczny wrote: post #97
gameswithgo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I remember all those lectures about over reaction and we ended up with an insurrection and an entire half of our country convinced an election was stolen.

One man's insurrection is another man's mostly peaceful protest.

97% peaceful

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by havkd »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #163
macspoofing wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>In what world does using software to marginalize people or mislead the public create a better world? The road to hell ... something something ... good intentions. Who defines what 'marginalization of people' means (a strange term if you really think about it), and why would you think they would get that definition right?

> Who defines what 'marginalization of people' means The software creators, which seems very reasonable to me. This isn't some arbitrary judge deeming what is marginalizing or not. This is the creators of the software saying "We don't want to build something that complete dickweeds can use for evil." Don't like their definition of "dickweeds" or "evil"? Fine, build your own shit then.

That’s reasonable, but don’t call it open source, because it isn’t.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by woodpanel »

"but the reality of working on free software is that you give up the possibility of choosing who can and cannot use it from the get-go"

I always wonder why wokeism hasn't reached software licenses yet?

Just imagine the anger when it would come to a FOSS dev team's attention that is using their product, successfully even...

"of course we would prefer if people so antithetical to our values did not use"

I mean just the effort involved by a lot of people in the dev community to dig something up:

"findings that various people have presented to us,"

While the stated proprietary licensing text could be easily just a beta version, or totally fine anyways (I'm not a lawyer), but definitely something other projects would get a pass for. You know, a nicely written e-mail not making any fuzz.

In a way this fuzz mastodon makes out of it, is exactly the PR a Trump would want, no?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by themaninthedark »

geewee wrote: post #146
roenxi wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all software was licensed that way, 5-15 years would pass then suddenly there'd be a whole bunch of "Wow, Stallman was right again! We should have been using free software licenses!" style articles. Restricting software use to only people approved by the creators is a terrible idea. Society has to operate with some level of trust that even people we disagree with, using methods we don't approve of, have the potent…

Why? In what world does using software to marginalize people or mislead the public create a better world?

See, this is where the creators of the CoC made a mistake, either of malice or ignorance.

>(Do Not)Use ml5.js to build tools that discriminate against marginalized communities

That could be better put as

>(Do Not)Use ml5.js to build tools that discriminate

By adding in "marginalized communities", they are creating loopholes. Some discrimination is good, as long as it is to people we don't like. Is discrimination against Chinese allowed? In the big picture, Chinese are the majority of the world population.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by Jtype »

geewee wrote: post #146
roenxi wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all software was licensed that way, 5-15 years would pass then suddenly there'd be a whole bunch of "Wow, Stallman was right again! We should have been using free software licenses!" style articles. Restricting software use to only people approved by the creators is a terrible idea. Society has to operate with some level of trust that even people we disagree with, using methods we don't approve of, have the potent…

Why? In what world does using software to marginalize people or mislead the public create a better world?

roenxi wrote "Restricting software use to only people approved by the creators is a terrible idea." which you apparently interpreted "people approved" as people who marginalize or mislead others. Which shows your bias and dramatically misses the point. You would allow the restriction of software based on subjective measures like "misleading the public" and "marginalize people". Would you ban the CDC and the WHO? They have mislead the public. Would you ban twitter, they have marginalized conservative opinions. The open expression of thought increases human knowledge and prevents groupthink. You don't have to agree with everything you hear or read. In fact you shouldn't, but you should be fore open expression and you should gain the skills to counter the speech you disagree with logically instead of simply attempting to silence others.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by brailsafe »

s7r wrote: post #121

In terms of "antithetical values", the machine learning project ml5js.org actually did something about this. They bound their open-source license to a Code of Conduct¹, which forbids the use of their ML software for (1) discriminating against marginalized communities, (2) building tools that disingenuously manipulate public opinion, (3) building tools of mass surveillance and prediction to repress the rights of peopl…

> discriminating against marginalized communities

Only marginalised communities?

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Post by ranit »

guipsp wrote: post #91
poizan42 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this question was decided by SCOTUS in Petrella v. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.: In a 6-3 ruling, Justice Ginsburg declared that laches cannot be invoked as a bar to pursuing a claim for damages brought within §507(b)'s three-year window. However, in extraordinary circumstances, laches may curtail the relief equitably awarded at the very outset of litigation,

In case anyone doesn't know what laches is: >In common law legal systems, laches (/ˈlætʃɪz/ "latches", /ˈleɪtʃɪz/}; Law French: remissness, dilatoriness, from Old French laschesse) is a lack of diligence and activity in making a legal claim, or moving forward with legal enforcement of a right, particularly in regard to equity. This means that it is an unreasonable delay that can be viewed as prejudicing the opposing…

A side note: Thank you for using phonetic transcription in IPA. This is very rare and I really don’t understand why it is not used more often.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonetic_transcription#

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