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Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no service.

People were able to access the service and create accounts. Those people are entitled to the sources. This would immediately go away if they just posted a tarball of the almost certainly unmodified sources. I guess nobody running this understands what's going on?

If you have no right to a computer service, you have no right to the AGPL code it runs. For example, a company is allowed to make internal GPL-based tools and not have to release their code. If I hack into their service and download the binary, I’m not entitled to the source code.

If the closed beta was meant for a select few, but was found by someone else, that someone else doesn’t have a right to the code just because they managed to get access. Only the select few would be allowed.

The fact that it’s a public web server (with no access controls) does throw a wrench into things, but it’s not as simple as many here make it seem.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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Seems like the terms they quoted are boilerplate. I wouldn’t attribute this to malice.

It'll be fair not to attribute it to malice once they start following the terms of the license...until then, all we know is what we can see

The site is not officially up though.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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On the other hand Trump's network might be coopted to contribute to mastodon's development, since they have apparently billions in funding. And it would be very ironic if this ends up boosting the decentralized web.

That's the shortsightedness part of it. They should have tried to get them license compliant and may be even negotiated with them to keep it compatible with Mastodon network. It would have not only helped both parties but also introduced Mastodon to more non tech users. Instead, it appears to be the typical knee-jerk reaction for woke points. So now Mastodon is liberal, left leaning and want to control what people discuss? Get in queue folks. We already got twitter and facebook for that!

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

#105
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But for all that superficial posturing, he accomplished very little of his agenda and generally ended up trying to play ball anyway. The anti-establishment game lasted until he entered the white House. His primary accomplishment was building a base of angry people.

> he accomplished very little of his agenda That depends on what you believe Trump's agenda was. I hope you're not taking his 2016 electoral campaign statements regarding what his agenda is at face value...

> I hope you're not taking his 2016 electoral campaign statements regarding what his agenda is at face value...

If not that, then ... what?

Not much got done, certainly not in the spirit of lasting change or advancing conservative agendas.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

#106
post #21

One of Trump's biggest advantages is his enemies drastically over-react to things and end up looking stupid. GPL violations are a serious business and Mastodon is well within their rights to ask for the code to be released. But the business hasn't even opened yet and they're already waving permanent revocation around. This sort of aggression in enforcing the GPL may actually be unprecedented.

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Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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post #4

Does a history of enforcement help in cases like this? The article itself says that Truth Social is "antithetical" to Mastodon's values, but that there's nothing they can do about the usage of their software other than license violations. It sounds like they have a bias to enforce their license in this case. If Mastodon has a weak history of enforcing their license to other organizations, does it weaken the case? I'm…

I think this question was decided by SCOTUS in Petrella v. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.: In a 6-3 ruling, Justice Ginsburg declared that laches cannot be invoked as a bar to pursuing a claim for damages brought within §507(b)'s three-year window. However, in extraordinary circumstances, laches may curtail the relief equitably awarded at the very outset of litigation,

Would the latches doctrine really apply to separate enforcement cases though? My understanding is that doctrine would prevent me from enforcing my rights against a particular actor if I wait too long to enforce those rights… but waiting too long against one actor wouldn’t be relevant if I seek to enforce those rights against a separate actor in a separate case.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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post #21

One of Trump's biggest advantages is his enemies drastically over-react to things and end up looking stupid. GPL violations are a serious business and Mastodon is well within their rights to ask for the code to be released. But the business hasn't even opened yet and they're already waving permanent revocation around. This sort of aggression in enforcing the GPL may actually be unprecedented.

Yeah I remember all those lectures about over reaction and we ended up with an insurrection and an entire half of our country convinced an election was stolen.

I would hazard to bet that most of those people involved in the insurrection only did so because of the number of violent protests that were met with underreaction in the previous year.

Still, america is a nation of extremes, and if something doesn't go their way they're all very quick to jump to "its a conspiracy against us" conclusion. A union bound together by nothing is doomed to fall apart from the slightest push.

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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post #46

> As far as personal feelings are concerned, of course we would prefer if people so antithetical to our values did not use and benefit from our labour And sensible people would prefer that license violations would be published and pursued fairly, and personal feelings kept personal, rather than creating a soft list of people and perspectives whose online/computing freedom is less important than others.

Is there an example of a software with a license with more overt political views being directly stated in the agreement ? I'm NOT saying that it's wrong to have personal views, or to make a statement about what Mastodon feels about Trump's Truth Social, but I am curious if there is software in wide-use with something like "No anti-vaxxers". So far the most ideology-enforcing licenses I know are mainly about the battl…

Well, there is the BipCot NoGov license, made by libertarians, that bans use by the government. Being committed libertarians, they don't enforce it with copyright law. I think it's mostly for humor.

https://bipcot.org/

Re: Trump’s new social media platform found using Mastodon code

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We will create many Distributed Permacomputers which will be long lasting, durable, with the right to repair and a right to free speech without being deplatformed.

Rusulting Code will be public domain and easy to setup.

It was never about the code, it was always about the data.

To learn more or help, Please visit:

https://www.unturf.com and https://youtu.be/BgBrSLUgLH4

We reject political deplatforming.

We favor right-to-repair

We refuse single-use plastics

We belive in a platform by the people for the people.

My idea is to smash together Remarkbox, MakePostSell, Bittorrent, and Cloudflares R2 to build a durable network owned by the masses.

It was never about the code or the license, it was always about the data.

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