Since free will doesnt exist, you can check that out. Anything that I make anytime of my day, like a thought, will unstoppably affect you all... That's why education is tremendously important, because you have to anckowledge that we either cooperate or kill each other. So this is so stupid to start with, that I won't try to make a point further that making people realize, how fucked up we are
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#212The UK is quickly becoming an authoritarian country. RIP freedom and democracy.
Problem is there is almost no opposition to that. In almost every country we see liberal parties failing to defend liberties.
On the contrary, they quickly side with pearl clutchers that have no problem with broad user surveillance and in some cases even champion laws that selectively punish one or two unsavory people in hope it might be seen as a precedent. Corporations primarily think of their advertisers that dislike any controversy.
I think ultimately we need different platforms for kids and adults. If you have a problem with comments that undeniably sometimes cross several lines, you might need to visit the former. That said, experience says that some people aren't content if there is disapproved content anywhere, but those need to be ignored.
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#213And this is why I'm never going to move to Europe. My jokes would be considered "obscene" or "indecent" or something and I'd be thrown in prison. At least here in the States, for now, the government is letting the private companies perform the censorship, and not imprisoning people for tasteless humor.
You mean the UK, not Europe in general. The UK is not even part of the EU anymore and has been steering towards authoritarianism for two decades already - together with the US as their closest ally.
The EU commission wants broad surveillance laws and doesn't really behave any differently, the implementation is different in detail, but moves towards the same ambitions. They don't understand the costs and are just slow to implement the same dragnet surveillance as the US did.
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#214Oh boy well this is another nail in the coffin for free speech in the UK. Back in my day it was just a given people said mean things on the internet.
>Back in my day it was just a given people said mean things on the internet. Isn't this indicative of a serious problem though? If there were places IRL where the average person is subjected to a constant barrage of callousness it wouldn't continue to exist, would it? Can we have free speech without accountability? In the past accountability seemed like a major factor.
The principle of free speech does explicitly exclude repercussions. You can of course draw you conclusions and you are not forced to associate with anybody.
But the nature of the internet that potentially connects anyone to everyone else will have such cases, even just by cultural differences.
To believe you can have the same basis in every interpersonal interchange is naive. If that is hard for you, you can trivially easily withdraw from any discussion.
> In the past accountability seemed like a major factor.
The past status quo isn't desirable. You do not have to expose yourself to anything if you do not want to. But many people do not want to get back to that.
I do not like to associate with people that seems to be fond of prosecuting others for trifles. Yet I will make sure they are able to state their opinions.
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#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
It might seem callous, and it might be (and I know some people have poor mental health at times and social media onslaughts won't help) but my solution is to not let things affect me. If Viktor Frankl could do it in death camps, I think it's something everyone can rely on. You can also become the heel, become the "villain", and use that abuse to gain influence rather than lose it; most social media abuse is unjustifi…
Honestly I like to hope there is a middle ground between "insulting a public figure is grounds for jailtime" and "sending constant rape and bomb threats to non-public figures and all of their family for years on end is a perfectly legal thing to do that people should just get used to, I mean, if someone could endure literal genocide someone else should endure constant threats to their and their social circle's safety…
You are without a doubt a public figure if you put yourself on social media. Many people have warned against oversharing and have stated that people will want regulation when they get exposed to the negative side, the reason why PR agencies exist. But these laws would affect everybody.
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not only UK. It is NZ and Australia as well. It is really weird to watch these countries to mimic CCP controlled China without all the benefits that CCP managed to pull off.
You don't actually understand China or Australia if you think they are similar. They are not. They have similar puppets they put on their hands to make the general population think a certain way, they may follow the same single act, but they're not similar.
You just described one trait they have in common in terms of similarity.
Of course they are different but have certain similarities.
The EU? Not so much.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
What constitutes intent when it comes to words? Do you have some magical device that enables you to extract intent from people's heads? I thought tru-crime was just science fiction and yet we have multiple individuals actually supporting a dystopian future where that's a real thing.
It’s not necessarily magical, but we call those devices “judges” and “juries” here in the states, referring to those whose roles in the legal system include judging someone’s intentions. They usually do so without widespread access to telepathy or divination, and so too their UK counterparts.
There are problems with that system aside from that. The UK specifically will always have to content the case when they put a fine on someone making a pup doing an unfavorable gesture as a joke. It wasn't a good joke in itself, but it really lived by the reaction.
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#218subjectivity is loved by the powerful rule of subjectivity is, at the end of the day, rule of the powerful: when two parties disagree and the situation can be defined in primarily subjective terms, the most powerful party wins by hiding behind outcast, oppressed or unpopular groups with often legitimate (though perhaps subjective, to an extent) grievances, the powerful are able to push through the subjective zeitgeis…
And this is why the trend is to remove factual information from trials rather than add some. For example, in many Western countries, it is now forbidden to present during a trial the SMS exchanged with a “victim of rape” before meeting, and to seize the messages between her and her friends, because it would cause psychological harm to this person. So the only remaining evidence is he-said-she-said, which is prone for…
In that case the accused should be freed since there isn't any evidence that suggest otherwise, no?
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#219A society where: - you are held responsible for other people's feelings, and for their feelings as a result of your words and actions, and: - anything that causes anyone to feel bad, is looked down upon by the collective Is tyranny by the emotionally stunted. The fundamental problem with it, is it makes society more enmeshed (a pathological relationship dynamic). People start caring more about going with the grain, t…
I'm not a fan of any law which could be potentially be misused to inhibit free speech, But the context of this law reminded me the row of Elon Musk calling the U.K diver Unsworth who played a major role in rescuing the Thai children struck in underwater cave - a 'Pedo Guy' on Twitter because Unsworth called the submarine supposedly fielded by Elon for the rescue as a P.R. stunt.
Elon did get acquitted in the U.S. court for the defamation suit on this as free speech laws in U.S. has very little riders, But I wonder if this supposed 'pychological harm' law could have delivered a verdict in favor of Unsworth in a U.K. court.
>Unsworth testified that “being branded a pedophile” had made him feel “humiliated, ashamed, dirty”. “I was effectively given a life sentence without parole,” he said. “It hurts to talk about it.”[1]
As a side note, Free speech laws in India has very specific riders when it comes to defamation, which of course are constantly abused[2]. But theoretically, Elon would have definitely been found guilty under that law; Theoretical because he's rich.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/06/elon-musk...
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a false dichotomy, it's a hyperbole meant to illustrate an uncomfortable trade-off.
Presenting two choices as mutually exclusive, when they are not, is definitely a false dichotomy.
I don't think this dichotomy to be false. They are competing concepts at some point. Another example is freedom and equality, which is also a hot topic if you will.
But I don't think anyone on internet platforms is in dire need of government protection. Perhaps kids that get groomed, but not adults in any capacity that can trivially withdraw from the problem.