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Re: No, Silly, Piracy is Theft

#101

Post by mindslight » Sat, Aug 30, 2008, 9:19 AM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #100

mindslight wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both satellite piracy and creating DVD decryption software require cracking the decryption process in a sustainable way. But for getting one-time copies out, there will always be an analog output at the end of the chain. Watermarking allows the distributor to pinpoint the device used, but the only thing they can do with this information is shut down the device. I don't see how this can be an economic threat when play…

There are two things they can do with the watermark: revoke the device, and sue the person who bought it. You can't get an AT&T SIM card or a DTV smart card without a contract. The only difference between those and a DVD player is the form factor.

Given a budget of $10k, I'm pretty sure I could obtain either one of those anonymously.

How hard is it to forge the required identification or bribe a store clerk to not check identification?

If someone's house is broken into, are they going to be liable for piracy through their stolen media player? (Assuming there's a several hours before it can be disabled)

Re: No, Silly, Piracy is Theft

#102

Post by tptacek » Sat, Aug 30, 2008, 5:30 PM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #101

tptacek wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two things they can do with the watermark: revoke the device, and sue the person who bought it. You can't get an AT&T SIM card or a DTV smart card without a contract. The only difference between those and a DVD player is the form factor.

Given a budget of $10k, I'm pretty sure I could obtain either one of those anonymously. How hard is it to forge the required identification or bribe a store clerk to not check identification? If someone's house is broken into, are they going to be liable for piracy through their stolen media player? (Assuming there's a several hours before it can be disabled)

I don't know. Where's the thriving and accessible black market for AT&T SIM cards and DTV cards?

And, with regards to "are they going to be liable", I direct your attention to the track record of the RIAA.

Re: No, Silly, Piracy is Theft

#103

Post by mindslight » Sat, Aug 30, 2008, 10:12 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #102

mindslight wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given a budget of $10k, I'm pretty sure I could obtain either one of those anonymously. How hard is it to forge the required identification or bribe a store clerk to not check identification? If someone's house is broken into, are they going to be liable for piracy through their stolen media player? (Assuming there's a several hours before it can be disabled)

I don't know. Where's the thriving and accessible black market for AT&T SIM cards and DTV cards? And, with regards to "are they going to be liable", I direct your attention to the track record of the RIAA.

The value of an anonymously acquired media player would be a lot higher than either of those two things. There's no market because nobody is willing to pay $1k for an anonymous cell phone when they can just get a prepaid one. But if one absolutely needed an AT&T SIM card, with that budget I'm sure they could forge all the required identification.

Of course it's hard to speculate the difficulty of such forging in the future. But I would think that $10k would be enough to break some human link in the chain.