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Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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Is it roughly the same to "prove" your identity in the US as it is in the UK? In the US, at least for most credit checks, you just need your SSN, some public record data about where you've lived, and personal data (name, DOB, etc). It's largely because there is no "National ID" system in the US (due to political reasons). That makes it hard for companies to track people, and the SSN is the only number that people con…

The UK also has national ID system. It is almost unique in Europe in this respect.

The UK doesn't have a national ID system. It's not clear how such a system would help in this situation - if the fraudster managed to get a driving license, why would they have a problem getting an ID card.

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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post #45

I have a friend who was almost the buyer of a house in the UK in a very similar situation. Fundamentally, it relied on the seller buying counterfeit identity documents (passport and driving licence) off the internet. That way, in theory, the identity checks were all conducted. There was the suggestion that the seller's solicitor was in on it, but no firm evidence. The seller has been arrested at least.

How did they find the house? Was it advertised through an estate agent?

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

#253

Imagine if we really did tokenization of assets? This type of fraud would be much easier (steal password vs months long identity theft), and impossible to reverse.

Easier? It would become borderline impossible. How exactly do you steal the seed for a hardware wallet? How do you even know where it's stored?

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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UK house owner - just signed up to the Land Registry alert system. Which has to be a record from not knowing something existed to signing up in four minutes. 1. The registry seriously refuses passwords that do not have alphanumeric characters only. Did not try Unicode. 2. Most of the UK is not in the land registry - it only is compulsory for land sold IIRR since the 1990s and generally has records going back to early…

About 85% of land in the UK is registered - including the vast majority of domestic dwellings.

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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post #201

"You and Yours obtained the driving licence used to impersonate Mr Hall" ... what? who? And then, "Once the house was sold to the new owner for £131,000 by the person impersonating Mr Hall, they legally owned it." The people who sold the house did not have the right to sell the house because they did not own it. The person who bought it does not own it since it was not legally sold.

You and Yours is a long running consumer affairs show on BBC Radio.

Hah! Thank you. I would have never guessed this.

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the 'quirk' here is that the fraud was able to get property ownership updated with the Land Registry, so the new owner is the official owner of record.

Sounds to me like in the UK you cant truly own land if the government can just decide it belongs to someone else.

Yeah, you don't truly own land, you pay property taxes, etc.

It's more like you lease the land :)

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In England the owner doesn't have the deeds, although they may obtain a copy. It's digital with the Land Registry. Scotland, incidentally, has the oldest land registry in the world (1617 CE), the Sasines.

I paid off my flat in Edinburgh back in 2016 or so, and in exchange I received a huge bundle of papers "the deeds", from the bank. I spent a fun evening flicking through the records of owners, the price they'd paid for it, and the few details provided (occupation, etc). All dating back to when the building was built in 1890 or so. Later I left the country, and moved to Finland. After a year or two here I wanted to se…

I bought my house in August, I've got original deeds for the land dating back to 1831 which was quite unusual to be holding the 200 year old paper.

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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Seems like the point of the conveyancer is to prevent this sort of thing.

In California it seems that a title transfer company is in practice the only way to transfer property, and for their exorbitant fee they do at least insure the buyer against this risk in perpetuity.

(Last time I bought a house in California I read the seller’s insurance policy and discovered its perpetual nature. I realized that if I ever had a problem I could sue the seller and their policy would cover me (and them). Unfortunately the title company refused to do the transfer until I bought my own title insurance. What a ripoff)

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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I am baffled by the fact that a complete house can be had for the little sum of £131,000. That's about €150.000 in real money... I guess where I live that would get me a garage, maybe.

Luton isn't exactly the nicest of places, but £131k is way below the asking price for even the cheapest houses there

Re: Man left shocked as his house is 'stolen'

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Imagine if we really did tokenization of assets? This type of fraud would be much easier (steal password vs months long identity theft), and impossible to reverse.

Easier? It would become borderline impossible. How exactly do you steal the seed for a hardware wallet? How do you even know where it's stored?

You steal the wallet, you own the house. You lose the wallet, you no longer own the house.
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