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Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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> To address risks to stablecoin users and guard against stablecoin runs, legislation should require stablecoin issuers to be insured depository institutions, which are subject to appropriate supervision and regulation, at the depository institution and the holding company level. > To address concerns about payment system risk, in addition to the requirements for stablecoin issuers, legislation should require custodi…

Stablecoin issuers are already effectively banks. In particular, wildcat banks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_banking Spoiler alert: there's a reason we had 150 years without wildcat banks.

The popular conception of the so-called free banking era, and the cause and prevalence of wildcat banking, is wrong.

https://www.alt-m.org/2021/07/06/the-fable-of-the-cats/

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All these coins are proven to be worthless. When speculation is making everyone money, the money isn't worth much. Edit: Love the immediate fear downvote. No one wants to hear their gold is really just shiny dirt.

I think it would be helpful here to compare the theory of a ponzi scheme to that of bitcoin.

In the beginning, buyers buy into a ponzi scheme because of a story that the creators are telling about their scheme. As time goes on, people buy in because the early investors are making a ton of money, as the value of the asset begins to skyrocket. Later on, people buy in because of previous hype, even though returns are actually beginning to level off, people don't notice. In the end, returns start to go negative, and the asset plummets, because nobody else has any reason to buy the asset anymore.

With bitcoin the theory goes: In the beginning, buyers buy into bitcoin because of the vision and idea of a decentralized currency made by an anonymous hacker on the internet. As time goes on, people buy in because the early investors are making a ton of money, as the value of the asset begins to skyrocket. Later on, people buy in because of previous hype, even though returns are actually beginning to level off. In the end, however, due to the properties of the currency, and its penetration throughout the population, people continue to buy even though there is little profit to be made anymore. It has been shown to be a better long term store of value than fiat currency, but with similar liquidity, unlike other assets with higher returns such as bonds and real estate. It can be easily transferred around the globe and is highly divisible, making it useful for payments large and small, avoiding complex VISA networks and regulatory red tape. Due to its enforced scarcity, it isn't possible to create any more of it, and so it maintains its high price rather than simply being overproduced back down to a lower valuation.

Re: Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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All these coins are proven to be worthless. When speculation is making everyone money, the money isn't worth much. Edit: Love the immediate fear downvote. No one wants to hear their gold is really just shiny dirt.

Amazing how many people are die hard advocates of being closed minded. The net market for crypto hits over a trillion dollars, and you still say things like this declaring they are proven to be worthless. This is posted on a report by the US government on a technology that is effectively a digital wrapper to use the US dollar easily online. How is there no worth in that? Out of curiosity, what would it take to change…

> The net market for crypto hits over a trillion dollars

At its peak, the gross size of Madoff's investment scheme was $64.8 billion.

> a digital wrapper to use the US dollar easily online. How is there no worth in that?

Because it's harder, and less safe, to use Tether than to enter my credit card number on a Web site.

Re: Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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This is why I'm excited about Djed ( https://djed.xyz ). Input Output Global (creator of Cardano) has been researching stable coins and drafted a pretty extensive white paper on their solution ( https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/1069.pdf ). The white paper also include a mentions for how they will prevent bank runs.

> Input Output Global (creator of Cardano) I worry there target release date of 2042 seems extremely aggressive for them based on past performance and some of there research might not be relevant by the time it comes out.

2042? Perhaps 2024?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing how many people are die hard advocates of being closed minded. The net market for crypto hits over a trillion dollars, and you still say things like this declaring they are proven to be worthless. This is posted on a report by the US government on a technology that is effectively a digital wrapper to use the US dollar easily online. How is there no worth in that? Out of curiosity, what would it take to change…

I can already use the us dollar easily online.

Now to go Argentina and dare to say the same thing.

Or go sell something with a high risk of fraud and see how how much the credit card companies will charge you.

Re: Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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All these coins are proven to be worthless. When speculation is making everyone money, the money isn't worth much. Edit: Love the immediate fear downvote. No one wants to hear their gold is really just shiny dirt.

Amazing how many people are die hard advocates of being closed minded. The net market for crypto hits over a trillion dollars, and you still say things like this declaring they are proven to be worthless. This is posted on a report by the US government on a technology that is effectively a digital wrapper to use the US dollar easily online. How is there no worth in that? Out of curiosity, what would it take to change…

I think what would change people's minds is crypto surviving an economic downturn.

I'd expect crypto as a whole to survive, but all the useless hype-/shitcoins to get wiped out. Same as with the dotcom bubble and housing bubble.

Re: Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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Treasury at least knows what it's talking about. The Congress (whom they're asking for legislation here) not only won't understand any of this, but worse, will write whatever laws big bank lobbyists want them to write, with the primary intent to make all of this non-viable for anyone but Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan through regulatory capture.

I'll leave it to you to decide whether this preferential treatment is better than the current lax regulation.

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All these coins are proven to be worthless. When speculation is making everyone money, the money isn't worth much. Edit: Love the immediate fear downvote. No one wants to hear their gold is really just shiny dirt.

While absolutely correct you've picked the wrong audience and you know it.

Re: Report on Stablecoins [pdf]

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You have to be careful with your choice of words. Especially on an engineering / science forum. The word "proven" implies a definitive certainty backed by solid theoretical foundation and a massive body of evidence. Very few things are proven in social science and economics. And most of them are simply definition. You are free to express your opinion though, but please mark it as such and make at least a small effort…

This public official laying down rules “you are free to… but please” tone has become commonplace on HN in the past few years. Anyone know the origin? Perhaps a shift in public enthusiasm for controlling speech? Did it start at universities? It seemed to just show up one day around 2018. It’s incredibly distracting.

I'm not a public official, but I like my readings to be informatives and display a good faith attempt to convey the truth. HN is one of the rare place on Internet that manages to do both. And I think everyone can contributes when given the opportunity to do so, so I think a small remainder can be better than an outright downvote / ban.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be careful with your choice of words. Especially on an engineering / science forum. The word "proven" implies a definitive certainty backed by solid theoretical foundation and a massive body of evidence. Very few things are proven in social science and economics. And most of them are simply definition. You are free to express your opinion though, but please mark it as such and make at least a small effort…

This public official laying down rules “you are free to… but please” tone has become commonplace on HN in the past few years. Anyone know the origin? Perhaps a shift in public enthusiasm for controlling speech? Did it start at universities? It seemed to just show up one day around 2018. It’s incredibly distracting.

Seems like you are confused about why people might respond negatively to you (the comment thinking the issue is around 'shiny dirt'), and that some one had the time to try and explain what might be going on.

I see some one stating outright their respect for your freedoms, but it seems to trouble you. Why is that?

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