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First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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Many would argue this already occurred with Jesus, born from the virgin Mary.

Many would argue Paul's Letter to the Internetans: Chapter 1, Verse 1.

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Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

#62

Many would argue this already occurred with Jesus, born from the virgin Mary.

Most Christians believe that that was not some biological process, but a true miracle where God himself bestowed this child on Mary. It would be technically correct that this was parthenogenesis, but it is a completely different... mechanism. Most non-Christians, even if they believe Jesus was a true historical figure, do not believe that his mother was a virgin.

> Most Christians believe that

Do you have any sort of statistics to back this up? A survey of some kind? From my own experience, most people who are Christian subscribe to the lifestyle and teachings, but do not accept 100% of the bible as truth.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

#63

Hmm, all birds are dinosaurs. It’s been a long time since I last saw Jurassic Park, but wasn’t something like this a plot line in the film?

There is, but if I remember correctly this was due to using frog DNA to fill in missing DNA gaps.

Same explanation's used in the novel, too.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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For those thinking "Dupe", this specific submission seems to have hit the 2nd chance queue, as the item was submitted 2 days ago. Meaning it's not actually a duplicate.

Algolia shows the original submission date, at least for now:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastMonth&page=0&prefix=fa...

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Christians believe that that was not some biological process, but a true miracle where God himself bestowed this child on Mary. It would be technically correct that this was parthenogenesis, but it is a completely different... mechanism. Most non-Christians, even if they believe Jesus was a true historical figure, do not believe that his mother was a virgin.

> Most Christians believe that Do you have any sort of statistics to back this up? A survey of some kind? From my own experience, most people who are Christian subscribe to the lifestyle and teachings, but do not accept 100% of the bible as truth.

It's... at least the official doctrine of most Christian churches, yeah, and that's usually held as a particularly important point. Catholics, certainly, and they're rather numerous. It is possible that many, or even most, Christians disagree with tenets of faith that their churches hold to be absolutely vital and indispensable, I suppose.

[EDIT] It's part of the Nicene Creed, even. I think it's fair to say that if most church-goers at most Christian churches told a priest or pastor that they didn't believe that God miracle'd a baby into the Virgin Mary, it would, at the very least, give the priest or pastor a frowny face and/or evoke a "wait... what exactly do you think we're up to, here?" reaction.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Christians believe that that was not some biological process, but a true miracle where God himself bestowed this child on Mary. It would be technically correct that this was parthenogenesis, but it is a completely different... mechanism. Most non-Christians, even if they believe Jesus was a true historical figure, do not believe that his mother was a virgin.

this is complicated, nuanced and not literal; it is a typical thing for critics to latch on to, so let's be wise-cautious with the exposition here at YNews, please

> be wise-cautious with the exposition here at YNews, please

One would think that YNews would be the most appropriate place for questioning blind faith in absurd claims.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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There's a perfectly logical, very probable, quite natural explanation, but the "researchers" claiming that their impossible, ridiculous, unfounded explanation can't possibly be wrong because..."muh politics"

Is condor parthenogenesis a major political issue in the United States?

Everything is a major political issue in the United States.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Christians believe that that was not some biological process, but a true miracle where God himself bestowed this child on Mary. It would be technically correct that this was parthenogenesis, but it is a completely different... mechanism. Most non-Christians, even if they believe Jesus was a true historical figure, do not believe that his mother was a virgin.

> Most Christians believe that Do you have any sort of statistics to back this up? A survey of some kind? From my own experience, most people who are Christian subscribe to the lifestyle and teachings, but do not accept 100% of the bible as truth.

Anecdotal, but I've never met or even heard of a Christian who believed in the virgin birth but thought it was the result of a natural process. Are there any examples of that you're aware of?

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

#69

Condors. Condors are on the verge of extinction. If I was to create a flock of condors on this island, you wouldn't have anything to say. Also: > However, in a surprising twist, they found that neither bird was genetically related to a male—meaning both chicks were biologically fatherless; and accounted for the first two instances of asexual reproduction, or parthenogenesis, to be confirmed in the California condor s…

well, there it is.

Re: First confirmed hatchings of two California condor chicks from unfertilized eggs

#70

Apologies for the low-effort comment, but this really freaks me out. I had no idea birds could reproduce asexually! That's crazy! Feels like an unanswerable question, but: could we ever see something like this in mammals? A virgin birth, for lack of a better phrase?

According to wikipedia, it does occasionally happen that a human egg cell undergoes parthenogenesis and starts developing, but as far as has been recorded, the fetus is never viable and is usually regarded as a type of tumor called a teratoma; occasionally, this does lead to some fetus-like shape of the tumor, in which case it is known as a fetiform teratoma. Interestingly, there are a handful of cases of functioning…

Also found a medical article describing a clinical case and also making the parthenogenesis link.

Caution when clicking, the article also contains some photos of the teratoma, which are slightly disturbing!

https://meridian.allenpress.com/aplm/article/130/10/1552/459...

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