GTFO.
You won't be able to change the course of the ship.
I've tried before, it doesn't work.
The only people who can set the direction are the execs and VPs at the top.
Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
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Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#232> I'm senior and was hired as such Someone hired you as a senior employee. Senior folks are expected to fix messes like what you describe. Go to the right person and ask for the political capital and support to fix 2 specific things. If you don't get a promise for that support or you don't see that support sustained, leave. If you get that support, fix exactly those 2 things as quickly as possible. Then ask for the s…
Can you explain the part about ‘ask for political capital’?
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
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Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#234> I'm senior and was hired as such Someone hired you as a senior employee. Senior folks are expected to fix messes like what you describe. Go to the right person and ask for the political capital and support to fix 2 specific things. If you don't get a promise for that support or you don't see that support sustained, leave. If you get that support, fix exactly those 2 things as quickly as possible. Then ask for the s…
Can you explain the part about ‘ask for political capital’?
Essentially a promise to back you up in meetings and emails if/when someone else complains that OP is stepping on toes in their efforts to fix problems.
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. You're only unprofessional if you start ranting about it at every opportunity you have, specially during a job interview.
Agreed and agreed. I actually interviewed someone who had jumped from both previous employers in an 8 month time frame. In the interview he was very negative to both those groups and wanted to tell me why his ideas where so much better. My interview with him did not last long.
Try to understand that no one in life probably even understands what they are going through. A shrink won’t get the intricacies of the project, your friends and family won’t, only another software developer might. Understand they have literally no one to share the situation with.
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#236If your job realised they had misevaluated you once you started working for them, they would let you go (if they’re professional). You should take the same attitude to them.
If you had another offer or got close during your job hunt, consider reaching back out to those places.
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
The forces behind burnout don't decrease just by operating as a senior.
My point is that seniority implies a certain level of professionalism. If you're getting burned out you're not at that level.
I infer that you mean that a senior professional is more adept at mitigating the effects of burnout. While that may often correlate, I don't think it follows that someone is less professional or at an insufficient level if they are suffering from burnout. Many times the factors at play exist within an organization regardless of how one member performs.
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#238I'm in this situation so I've been asking around on Blind and what not.
My conclusion is that everyone thinks it's fine to move on. Especially if you can find a pay or title increase, then it's undeniable. I doubled my TC for a job at Amazon and am jumping ship because it's such a mess
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#239Ofcourse no, why do you even think this way? If the job burned you out in a couple of months you shouldn’t even questioning it.
Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The forces behind burnout don't decrease just by operating as a senior.
My point is that seniority implies a certain level of professionalism. If you're getting burned out you're not at that level.
The extension of your worldview is that a General in the military can't get PTSD because they're so professional.