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Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by ljm »

lgleason wrote: post #10

The UK is quickly becoming an authoritarian country. RIP freedom and democracy.

The UK has arguably had an authoritarian bias for a long time, under the guise of being paternalistic.

I wouldn't say it's always a bad thing, as many times this does work in the society's favour (e.g. consumer protection laws, various other regulations), and the loosening of the restriction works against it (e.g. the course of events that led to the Grenfell Tower fire).

Of course, you also get stuff like this, the various porn bills that surface every few years, and the Snooper's Charter. This is the real Nanny State stuff.

The UK simply has a different perspective on how government should work. Arguably because it's had a thousand years to figure it out.

Re: Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by laurent92 »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #6

subjectivity is loved by the powerful rule of subjectivity is, at the end of the day, rule of the powerful: when two parties disagree and the situation can be defined in primarily subjective terms, the most powerful party wins by hiding behind outcast, oppressed or unpopular groups with often legitimate (though perhaps subjective, to an extent) grievances, the powerful are able to push through the subjective zeitgeis…

And this is why the trend is to remove factual information from trials rather than add some. For example, in many Western countries, it is now forbidden to present during a trial the SMS exchanged with a “victim of rape” before meeting, and to seize the messages between her and her friends, because it would cause psychological harm to this person. So the only remaining evidence is he-said-she-said, which is prone for interpretation.

It is also forbidden to take notes as a member of a jury. If a member is not sure, he should ask again. Which opens the way for rhetoric tricks, not factual information.

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Post by mathverse »

ljm wrote: post #21
lgleason wrote: post #10

The UK is quickly becoming an authoritarian country. RIP freedom and democracy.

The UK has arguably had an authoritarian bias for a long time, under the guise of being paternalistic. I wouldn't say it's always a bad thing, as many times this does work in the society's favour (e.g. consumer protection laws, various other regulations), and the loosening of the restriction works against it (e.g. the course of events that led to the Grenfell Tower fire). Of course, you also get stuff like this, the…

It is not only UK. It is NZ and Australia as well.

It is really weird to watch these countries to mimic CCP controlled China without all the benefits that CCP managed to pull off.

Re: Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by md8z »

Clubber wrote: post #20
md8z wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minutes on Twitter...

>for us to collectively come up with an objective definition That's not how the game works, we don't collectively do anything, the powerful come up with the definition. Just wait for a powerful person to take criticism and be able to jail the person because of "psychological harm."

I don't understand, these decisions appear to be made by people appointed by democratically elected MPs? Are you making a different complaint about the democratic process? That's fine for you to do, but that seems to be unrelated to the topic.

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Post by nathias »

md8z wrote: post #17
recursivedoubts wrote: post #6

subjectivity is loved by the powerful rule of subjectivity is, at the end of the day, rule of the powerful: when two parties disagree and the situation can be defined in primarily subjective terms, the most powerful party wins by hiding behind outcast, oppressed or unpopular groups with often legitimate (though perhaps subjective, to an extent) grievances, the powerful are able to push through the subjective zeitgeis…

What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minutes on Twitter...

I hope this is trolling.

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Post by Subsentient »

And this is why I'm never going to move to Europe. My jokes would be considered "obscene" or "indecent" or something and I'd be thrown in prison. At least here in the States, for now, the government is letting the private companies perform the censorship, and not imprisoning people for tasteless humor.

Re: Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by md8z »

nathias wrote: post #25
md8z wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minutes on Twitter...

I hope this is trolling.

I'm not trolling, I've personally suffered psychological harm from online abuse. There are many places on the internet that I'd like to go but can't because people are too abusive and nobody does anything about it. What am I supposed to do if people don't even want to talk about this or acknowledge that it's a real problem that we can solve?

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Post by mandmandam »

Subsentient wrote: post #26

And this is why I'm never going to move to Europe. My jokes would be considered "obscene" or "indecent" or something and I'd be thrown in prison. At least here in the States, for now, the government is letting the private companies perform the censorship, and not imprisoning people for tasteless humor.

Who is getting thrown in to prison for jokes?

Assange was thrown into jail for basic journalism, but that was at America's behest.

Re: Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by 13415 »

Subsentient wrote: post #26

And this is why I'm never going to move to Europe. My jokes would be considered "obscene" or "indecent" or something and I'd be thrown in prison. At least here in the States, for now, the government is letting the private companies perform the censorship, and not imprisoning people for tasteless humor.

You mean the UK, not Europe in general. The UK is not even part of the EU anymore and has been steering towards authoritarianism for two decades already - together with the US as their closest ally.
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