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Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#41

To be a professional is to be trusted to do a job in a way that delivers results reliably and sustainably. Part of that is saying no to a job where you would not trust yourself to succeed at that.

>Part of that is saying no to a job where you would not trust yourself to succeed at that.

That's solid advice, thank you.

Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#42
post #31

It's not unprofessional to quit an unfulfilling job. It's unprofessional to quit without notice (since you're a senior person), or to badmouth the company online, to recruiters, or to future prospective employers. If anyone asks why you quit you should say "I found a better opportunity." If you quit without another job lined up you may get asked in the future to explain the gap, so have an explanation that doesn't ma…

> to badmouth the company online, to recruiters, or to future prospective employers. If anyone asks why you quit you should say "I found a better opportunity." If you quit without another job lined up you may get asked in the future to explain the gap, so have an explanation that doesn't make you look unprofessional. It’s not as cut and dry. It is perfectly fine to say you left a company because what you were looking…

I would expect a senior-level developer to get the gist: don't badmouth former employers (or customers). It never looks good. Of course you can explain that the job wasn't a good fit, but in an interview situation you want to avoid opening the door for follow-up questions that will force you to choose to either make yourself look unprofessional (or too fussy) or to blame the former employer. It takes judgment and every situation is different.

When I have interviewed people who complain about their current or last job and tell stories about how the work is shit and the management sucks I can't help but get the impression that they are a difficult employee. Maybe that's not true, but without knowing anything else it's easy to get that idea. And I would prefer the candidate focus on what they are bringing to my project and team rather than than talking about how their current/last job sucked.

A decade or so ago I worked for a large-ish publishing company. We were hiring a couple of programmers and I was one of two senior people assigned to do initial interviews. One candidate came through a recruiter, looked good on paper, and he had several years of relevant experience at a major publisher (Playboy) using similar technologies. During the interview I asked why he left that job -- he had a several month unemployed gap on his resume. He said he didn't like working in the "porn" industry. I said "You must have known what Playboy publishes when you took that job." Then he launched into a long explanation of how he didn't get along with his manager and how some of the other people on his team were slackers and so on. We didn't hire him -- maybe he was right about the work environment but the whole exchange left a bad taste for me and the other senior doing the interviews.

Bottom line: Prepare for the question "Why did you leave your last job?" (Or "Why are you thinking about leaving your job?") and have an explanation ready that doesn't reflect badly on you, makes sense, and doesn't require badmouthing the last place.

Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#44

Professionalism doesn't even come into it. You're under no obligation whatsoever to even tell them why you're leaving but if you do, you're doing them a favour. If they know what's good for them they'll have exit interviews but I doubt that's a thing they do if they're not willing to hear you out or fix things when you're actively working for them.

Further, anything you say in an exit interview can and will be used against you. So either tread lightly or keep quiet.

Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#45
post #22

Its a job not a slave relationship. You don't need a reason to quit (with notice) other then "I feel like it"

Presumably his paychecks aren't bouncing.

They've mentioned Europe. We don't do paychecks here. Money just lands on your bank account.

Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#46
If you don’t have the power to turn it around (e.g. if you’re not a director), the wise thing is to bail. It’s highly unlikely that you’ll make a significant dent in improving things there, so you’re just wasting your time working there. My 2cents. Been in a similar situation twice, bailed immediately, and my career has been fine.

Re: Ask HN: Is it unprofessional to leave a new job where everything is a mess?

#49
The nice thing about a situation like that is that you have been presented with a great opportunity for improvement. If you know you don’t want to stay, go to the person in charge and explain to them exactly how broken everything is, why it needs to be fixed and how you can fix it.

If they respect you enough to allow you to do it, you’ll get great experience out of it. If they won’t, move along and they’ll know exactly where they went wrong.

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