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Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by 72deluxe » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 1:30 PM UTC

IAmGraydon wrote: post #59

This whole metaverse thing reminds me of VRML websites in the 90s. IIRC, VRML creations were even called “worlds”. My guess is that this attempt suffers the same fate and takes Facebook as a company down with it.

Yes I thought the same thing. We can only hope Facebook does go down the pan with it as it appears to be a cesspit of self-serving self-obsessed commercialism - kind of like a microcosm of the Internet actually..... Sad.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by smaryjerry » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 3:23 PM UTC

zdragnar wrote: post #21

q4Zar wrote: post #10

I'm a software developer and i pass literraly 80% of my time working to make my family survive to this world, and honestly the only thing that i have in mind it's to flippin go in the forest for a walk, i don't understand the thing of wanting so much to be isolated and wear a fucking VR mask, this world is fucked up !

It can be a pretty novel experience- neither VR headsets nor walks through a forest are substitutes for each other. I have access to many many acres of forest, and am quite familiar with it. For reasons unrelated to this discussion, I am unlikely to see many interesting places in person around the world... Pictures are nice, but will never do them justice. I wouldn't mind being able to take a 3d VR tour of them one b…

In my mind the primary issue is the lack of quality of replication. VR tech is fine, but the quality is just not there. iPhones had a screen quality where you could barely tell there were pixels and eventually got to a high enough quality where no matter how close you looked you couldn’t see the pixels. That is the level of detail needed for VR to be get truly beautiful and our screens and processing power are simply decades away from them, let alone the quality of sound and the other senses.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by smaryjerry » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 3:29 PM UTC

ryanmercer wrote: post #44

EmilioMartinez wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people don't want that though, and that is why VR was a bust (compared to last century's dreams I mean).

VR has been a bust because decent VR requires a heavy thing attached to your head, basically an empty room in your house, and a computer that (at least pre-covid auto prices) cost more than many of the cars on the road in the United States. My friend has had a vive for years, he has an entire room dedicated to it so you can actually walk around. Its being driven by a several thousand dollar computer and makes the roo…

And all that money is for a VR that doesn’t fully replicate normal vision - the number of pixels is just not there yet. I doubt even quadrupoling the number of pixels in current vr systems would get there.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by smaryjerry » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 3:36 PM UTC

peterashwell wrote: post #123

istorical wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you realize that Facebook Connect is a yearly event that was scheduled long before any of the latest FB outrage news stories?

Negative sentiment has been accumulating against the company for a long while, rebrand is a good strategy

It’s smart, the same way Google made alphabet. The rebrand of the name is not the point at all, it’s the fact they want to avoid the appearance of monopoly like power and all the regulation that comes with it. Having separate companies that aren’t under you primary brand name essentially gives the illusion of less dominance by that brand and makes it easy to split off should the government require them to be split at some point. Just saying Facebook now controls devices with cameras in your home is worrying - versus saying, Facebooks parent company owns another company that controls cameras in your home makes people feel the illusion that power is not too centralized by Facebook.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by bradgranath » Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 6:00 PM UTC

netcan wrote: post #61

Zuck is a pretty uninspiring orator, with a tendency to use flat metaphors and bland platitudes. He's also not much of a creative visionary. His version of what "metaverse" will be has Jetsons sort of logic. You get up, have some virtual toast and commute in a virtual car to a virtual office, then go home and feed your virtual pet. ... I'm exaggerating, but you get my meaning. JC, is, in contrast, quite inspiring. An…

AOL was also ridiculously successful and owned the entire market.

Until they didn't anymore because broadband infrastructure, now they're a prefix that you say before you say "Time Warner"

How long until we get to say "Meta Disney"

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by doomleika » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 7:35 AM UTC

hooby wrote: post #51

I think what is sorely missing from the entire debate, is a clear definition of what a metaverse actually is. This article here seems to believe that the metaverse is nothing but "internet VR". The talk by Carmack for the most part equates the metaverse with MMVR - massively multiuser virtual reality. But according to the explanation that Raph Koster (the mind behing metaplace - the only prior attempt at ever buildin…

I would argue that the term "metaverse" is kept vague so they can rebrand everything with it.

For Zuck, "metaverse" is just VR with their app store.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by hikerclimber1 » Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

I agree.

Re: The metaverse is already here, it's called the internet

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Post by Im_your_dada » Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

Facebook should try first and fix their horrible advertising platform that their users cant figure out basics before they try to jump in any into sort of VR world.

Elon wants to go to Mars while earth needs fixing more than ever. Electricity poles that power pretty much all devices across US are rotten. Roads have potholes deeper than cavities. Average IQ is declining back to chimpanzee levels.

I think we are already in cluelessverse of nothing productive but just hope and dreams or lot of zeros and ones. 010101101110001 = just bytes.