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Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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The sad thing about this is that there are perfectly valid reasons for Wacom to want certain information, like what hardware do their customers connect the drawing tablets to, what operating systems and applications do they use. This is useful information to have, in the sense that Wacom can choose where to put their resources, what applications to test for, etc. But the very fact they are so damned sneaky about it m…

Mozilla products used to do this, but I don't think they do anymore.

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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Do Wacom tablets have any relevant competition? I have one that I use for hobbyist purposes and when it comes time to upgrade I'd be interested in not buying another Wacom.

Huions are pretty great. Very affordable and very high quality. I'm guessing the premium you pay for Wacom has more to do with the brand name than the actual product. I'm not a professional artist though, so maybe Huions are bad for pro work. Idk, but I'm happy with my Huion.

I guess the question is, what data does Huion’s software send back?

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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Qubes. It's essentially VMs around every application, browser instance or service.

And that has what market share amongst wacom tablet users?

Market share describes what state the world is in. I don’t see what bearing that has on a discussion of what the world should be.

OpenBSD implemented the ASLR security mitigation as default in their operating systems first. Windows and macOS followed years later. I don’t think they did so because of OpenBSD’s market share.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_space_layout_randomi...

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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The sad thing about this is that there are perfectly valid reasons for Wacom to want certain information, like what hardware do their customers connect the drawing tablets to, what operating systems and applications do they use. This is useful information to have, in the sense that Wacom can choose where to put their resources, what applications to test for, etc. But the very fact they are so damned sneaky about it m…

I don't see any valid reason for Wacom to look at what application people use. And in a proper operating system that information should not be easily available (not without the users' consent).

There is a valid reason, which is custom configuration for each application. How you want a tablet to act in Blender is likely not the same as you would want in Photoshop. A lot of mice do the same thing.

Once the user has agreed to that valid use-case, there's not a lot the OS can do to stop the data being logged permanently.

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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> They could ask permission first No, they must . > this sort of telemetry is a nothingburger I strongly disagree, what runs on my computer is my business and if Wacom wants to know, they can ask, and I'll tell them 'no, sorry that is not something you need to know'. It's called consent and it's not up to Wacom to decide that I will think it is a nothing burger. > in my opinion, as unpopular as that might be on this…

You consented when you ran their drivers to use the hardware, just like you consent to being recorded on CCTV when you enter a shop or stop at a gas station. Don't like it? Read the privacy policy for software you run. That, or you can write or rely on libre drivers for the tablet to run on your specific hardware setup. And deal with all the issues unsupported/maintained drivers have.

> You consented when you ran their drivers to use the hardware

Is it mentioned in the privacy policy agreement? Or are you saying that any driver I install on my machine is equal to my consenting that the driver's author can collect whatever data they want?

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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> we can also come up with scenarios that involve real harms. […] I personally use Google Analytics to track visitors to my website. This was a well-written fun read, and I also both care about privacy a lot and have also used Google Analytics on a site too, but at the same time I’m a little bit floored how quickly his own use of GA was assumed benign while Wacom’s was assumed malicious. (Using GA is handing tracking…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-anonymity

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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I recently bought a Wacom tablet, but didn't install any drivers except those that are in the free-software repository of Void Linux, which I suppose don't do this. I wish it were easier in general, though, to find out whether hardware requires proprietary software to function. For example, I'd like to get a document scanner, but, since I don't know of any model that can run on free software, I just do without.

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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> They could ask permission first No, they must . > this sort of telemetry is a nothingburger I strongly disagree, what runs on my computer is my business and if Wacom wants to know, they can ask, and I'll tell them 'no, sorry that is not something you need to know'. It's called consent and it's not up to Wacom to decide that I will think it is a nothing burger. > in my opinion, as unpopular as that might be on this…

You consented when you ran their drivers to use the hardware, just like you consent to being recorded on CCTV when you enter a shop or stop at a gas station. Don't like it? Read the privacy policy for software you run. That, or you can write or rely on libre drivers for the tablet to run on your specific hardware setup. And deal with all the issues unsupported/maintained drivers have.

Might be the case in the US, but GDPR in the EU requires informed consent for this sort of analytics gathering. With the keyword being informed.

Re: Wacom drawing tablets track the name of every application that you open

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Discussed before, and brought up in comments: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22247292 (this article, earlier thread) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22803484 (comment by the author of the article) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22512696 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27963867 One of those links was me mentioning it, and this got so under my skin it took Wacom's brand from "premium, resp…

> Like Lenovo's "let's ship spyware with Thinkpads" did.

One hopes that companies would value their brand and reputation over some short-term profit (and yet nobody here is holding their breath). To this day I refuse to buy any Lenovo product, and as the tech guy in my family I warn everyone who asks from considering them at all.

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