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How I motivate myself to write

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Re: How I motivate myself to write

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Writing can also a tool for thinking and for finding flaws in your ideas. It sounds strange to me that you would like something to have said but don't really want to spend the time to make your argument. That said, podcasts could also be a way to explore ideas without having to write them down.

> It sounds strange to me that you would like something to have said but don't really want to spend the time to make your argument. Why is that strange? That is how we run our lives in most other fields. I want to holiday in Spain but I really don't want to learn how to fly to get there. I want a house to live in but i don't want to build it; that is; I want to have built a house but don't want to build a house.

Maybe it's just a little bit arrogant to think what you would like to be said could be important to other people when you don't even want to take the time to write it down in a convincing way.

Living in a house somebody built for you is equivalent to reading.

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I liked this article as a collection of tips for effective writing, but did not find much about the topic of motivation within it. The author appears to be internally driven to write from the outset, and the advice given assumes that you also have the volition to write yourself and want to improve. Is lack of interest a solvable problem? This is a question I continually revisit. In one of the comment threads for the…

> Is lack of interest a solvable problem?

I would say yes, in large part. The solution is simple but not easy. The key is “Motivation follows action”. When you don't have motivation, act like how you would if you had it. Motivation will follow.

People who are prone to procrastination may find it difficult to decide what to act on. Begin with the most trivial action that is almost silly to consider an action. After you do it, continue with the next most trivial one.

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I liked this article as a collection of tips for effective writing, but did not find much about the topic of motivation within it. The author appears to be internally driven to write from the outset, and the advice given assumes that you also have the volition to write yourself and want to improve. Is lack of interest a solvable problem? This is a question I continually revisit. In one of the comment threads for the…

> There is nothing you can do to motivate someone who is fundamentally a non-writer to be a writer. The interest will never be there, no matter what the person chooses to say or think on the contrary. I heard once this expression for those who dislike wine: It's not that you dislike wine, you just haven't found the wine that you like. Writers don't write on anything and everything. They write on what interests them.…

A bit OT, but I think the wine comparison goes in exactly the opposite direction. Some people will never like wine or alcohol no matter how much they search:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140924113744.h...

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I liked this article as a collection of tips for effective writing, but did not find much about the topic of motivation within it. The author appears to be internally driven to write from the outset, and the advice given assumes that you also have the volition to write yourself and want to improve. Is lack of interest a solvable problem? This is a question I continually revisit. In one of the comment threads for the…

> Is lack of interest a solvable problem? I would say yes, in large part. The solution is simple but not easy. The key is “Motivation follows action”. When you don't have motivation, act like how you would if you had it. Motivation will follow. People who are prone to procrastination may find it difficult to decide what to act on. Begin with the most trivial action that is almost silly to consider an action. After yo…

>I would say yes, in large part. The solution is simple but not easy. The key is “Motivation follows action”.

Maybe I've always misunderstood that common saying but there are so many counterexamples that it doesn't seem to be true.

E.g. I actually know how to cook and have already taken the "action" of home cooking many hundreds of times such as preparing spaghetti and baking cakes without any premade kits and yet -- I'm still not interested in cooking at all.

At the same time, I can appreciate that others like chefs or hobbyists take a deep interest in cooking and take delight in combining brand new ingredients. However, even when I give a cookbook as a gift and let that book pass through my hands, it doesn't trigger any interest in cooking.

Maybe another more widespread example is photography. Most people have cameras on smartphones now but most take photos as a utility function rather than some artistic photography interest. The act of taking photos doesn't really get most people over that threshold of being "interested in photography". E.g. they take a picture of where their car is parked in the airport as a reminder -- and then go on to think about everything else that's more interesting to them than photography.

Likewise, making people do more math will make many (most?) become less interested in math. I think that's what some people mean by "generating internal interest is unsolvable".

Where "Motivation Follows Action" makes much more sense is the limited scenario of already being interested in a particular domain but you're just temporarily stuck. E.g. a book author has written texts before but is now staring at a blank page. (Writer's Block.) So the idea is start writing anything -- even nonsense -- and then let the momentum of laying words down start feeding itself and then eventually you end up with a finished book.

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is lack of interest a solvable problem? I would say yes, in large part. The solution is simple but not easy. The key is “Motivation follows action”. When you don't have motivation, act like how you would if you had it. Motivation will follow. People who are prone to procrastination may find it difficult to decide what to act on. Begin with the most trivial action that is almost silly to consider an action. After yo…

>I would say yes, in large part. The solution is simple but not easy. The key is “Motivation follows action”. Maybe I've always misunderstood that common saying but there are so many counterexamples that it doesn't seem to be true. E.g. I actually know how to cook and have already taken the "action" of home cooking many hundreds of times such as preparing spaghetti and baking cakes without any premade kits and yet --…

Re your cooking example. A virtue ethicist (Aristotle, Augustine, Confucius, ...) might say that you still have work to do.

The idea is that knowing how to cook, and even being good at cooking, are not enough. You're not "perfected" in a particular virtue until you actually experience the value of the practices that the virtue involved.

One way to go about "perfecting" a virtue, from a subjective perspective, is to look at those people you know who do enjoy cooking. These people are exemplars, and you have to be charitable, trusting that there is something to cooking that they see that you do not. You then try again, trying to emulate their approach to cooking - not just the recipes or even the procedures they follow, but also their attitudes toward it. That is how you come to experience the full excellence of cooking. In other words, in the virtue ethicist's view, cooking well doesn't by necessity make you a good cook.

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I always find these sort of articles about the creative process remarkably useful because the principles are quite generally applicable.

Write for yourself = Solve your own problem in startups :D

Pick a writing schedule = Seinfeld does this. Writes jokes 4 hours a day every day for decades. Also known as time blocking.

Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I liked this article as a collection of tips for effective writing, but did not find much about the topic of motivation within it. The author appears to be internally driven to write from the outset, and the advice given assumes that you also have the volition to write yourself and want to improve. Is lack of interest a solvable problem? This is a question I continually revisit. In one of the comment threads for the…

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Re: How I motivate myself to write

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I liked this article as a collection of tips for effective writing, but did not find much about the topic of motivation within it. The author appears to be internally driven to write from the outset, and the advice given assumes that you also have the volition to write yourself and want to improve. Is lack of interest a solvable problem? This is a question I continually revisit. In one of the comment threads for the…

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