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13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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I hope you realize then that there is much more to teaching than telling a child - no matter how precocious - "pfft, that ain't so great." Being an asshole is never excusable. While I understand your point about not over-praising, this actually is something that few of his peers are able to do. Proper praise for the boy would be to appreciate the effort, applaud his commitment to the problem and recognize that he may…

I hope you realize my initial comment wasn't addressed to the child in question, or I would have e-mailed it directly to him and worded it less strongly. Rather, I intended to discuss with the HN community the technical merits of the article. (If treating his article as the work of an adult isn't praise I don't know what is!) On a side note, I feel mildly insulted that you feel the need to tell me how to do my job. I…

If you're interested in the intricacies of the art of teaching self-directed youth (which mostly involves understanding the child in question, and saying the right thing at the right time) I'd be glad to discuss them with you.

I'd love to hear about that. That is my occupation as a teacher of supplementary math lessons, and that is my daily life as a homeschooling parent. I can always afford to learn more about doing what I do better.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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In part, this is why it says in the guidelines: In Submissions ... Please submit the original source. If a blog post reports on something they found on another site, submit the latter. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your last link has now been submitted by someone as a separate item and is just so much better. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2902496

Colin, It seems a great deal of your comments have begun to fall into either the "this has already been posted" or "you're not following the rules" category. Do you see the problem with "contributing" material on top of material you see as less than satisfactory? You're only adding more cruft to the cruft. We get it. You don't like reposts. We get it. You don't like it when people don't follow the rules to a "T". Gue…

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Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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After 500 million years nature has tried a lot of designs.

There may be hidden variables or different fitness considerations that apply to nature/trees but not to solar panels.

Not only that, but is there a theoretical peak for that which is necessary for survival, another peak for wide spread population and dispersion, and yet another peak for max efficiency?

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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>If there is an unqiue optimal orientation for a single static panel (which under realistic assumptions there is)... If you have some kind of “continuous function attains its max” argument here, I think you should elaborate. Because it’s interesting but not really “trivial”.

He used the extreme value theorem. The theorem asserts that a continuous function on a compact set (for our purposes closed and bounded set) has a maximum (and a minimum). In this case the the closed and bounded set is the sphere of all possible orientations for solar panels. The theorem is mentioned in most introductory calculus courses, but the proof is definitely not 'trivial'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme…

That's not actually sufficient to show unique extrema; there an be a set of points on which a function achieves the same, maximal, value.

i.e. cos(x) over x But we don't really need unique extrema here. Oversight on my part -- there can be (although I believe there aren't) multiple optimal panel orientations. Then the optimal array is an array with each panel having any one of the optimal orientations.

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"Basically the tree of cells are arranged in different angles so that as the sun moves some of them will always be receiving optimal sunlight when their normal is parallel with that of the incident light." Except it's trivially impossible to generate more energy like this (as he claims)! If a set of solar panels is independent and non-interacting (e.g., they don't shade or heat each other), then their total power out…

>If there is an unqiue optimal orientation for a single static panel (which under realistic assumptions there is)... If you have some kind of “continuous function attains its max” argument here, I think you should elaborate. Because it’s interesting but not really “trivial”.

No, results specific to solar panel orientation. Math is not trivial at all, but the results are intuitive: roughly, point the panel in the direction which, in mean, is in the direction of the sun. So tilted towards the equator, at the same angle as your latitude.

http://www.nrel.gov/rredc/pvwatts/changing_parameters.html#t...

"The default value is a tilt angle equal to the station's latitude. This normally maximizes annual energy production. Increasing the tilt angle favors energy production in the winter, and decreasing the tilt angle favors energy production in the summer."

(Couldn't find a clear proof of this (under any modelling assumptions), sorry.)

A unique optimum isn't really necessary here (I shouldn't have required it!)

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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>If there is an unqiue optimal orientation for a single static panel (which under realistic assumptions there is)... If you have some kind of “continuous function attains its max” argument here, I think you should elaborate. Because it’s interesting but not really “trivial”.

He used the extreme value theorem. The theorem asserts that a continuous function on a compact set (for our purposes closed and bounded set) has a maximum (and a minimum). In this case the the closed and bounded set is the sphere of all possible orientations for solar panels. The theorem is mentioned in most introductory calculus courses, but the proof is definitely not 'trivial'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme…

Well, the Calc 1 version isn't good enough because there are several variables here. You have to consider a continuous function defined on the sphere -- to capture all possible orientations of the panel. In fact, it could be a closed subset of the sphere -- to take care of all possible shadows, obstructions, etc. This is nice, you don't see a lot of direct applications of pure existence theorems...

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I hope you realize my initial comment wasn't addressed to the child in question, or I would have e-mailed it directly to him and worded it less strongly. Rather, I intended to discuss with the HN community the technical merits of the article. (If treating his article as the work of an adult isn't praise I don't know what is!) On a side note, I feel mildly insulted that you feel the need to tell me how to do my job. I…

If you're interested in the intricacies of the art of teaching self-directed youth (which mostly involves understanding the child in question, and saying the right thing at the right time) I'd be glad to discuss them with you. I'd love to hear about that. That is my occupation as a teacher of supplementary math lessons, and that is my daily life as a homeschooling parent. I can always afford to learn more about doing…

I'll do my best to sum up what I do. I've never put this in words before.

My modus operandi involves building a mental model of what the student knows, doesn't know, and how they think about the problem in question. Usually I do this through targeted questioning, and watching faces for signs of confusion in a group session. e.g. let's say we're working on Newtonian physics. I might take a model car with occupants, roll it along a table, and ask what happens when the car hits something. From this I can judge whether the students understand momentum.

If their mental model is wrong, next you have to break it down. How to do this varies based on how committed they are to their model -- if you challenge their views in too dramatic a manner you can lose their trust and frustrate future lessons. For students whom are less committed to their incorrect model, it suffices to demonstrate a counterexample. Those who are more commited can require several weeks to shake their beliefs.

Actually teaching involves three parts: definitions, questioning, and experience. Definitions are KEY. You can build an entire lesson around a solid definition. For example: "speed is how far something travels every second" (or "in a certain amount of time" for the ones able to handle abstraction). Keep definitions few and far betweens and simple. Refer back to them often.

Next follow up with questioning: how can we measure speed? do we know how to measure the things in the definition? if something moved ten meters in five seconds, how many meters did it move every second? This has been covered elsewhere in depth. Don't overdo it though, some kids hate questioning. Just tell them facts.

Oh, be consistent. Use vocabulary consistently, don't throw around new terms, stick to one system of units, etc. Minimize distraction and confusion.

Experience is key to solidifying rules deduced from questioning. Roll that cart down the hill. Practice those factoring problems. Not everyone needs experience but most do. Experience can help break down incorrect mental models. As with definitions, minimize distraction. Experience one thing at a time until it is understood.

Finally, don't be afraid to go off on tangents. If a kid expresses interest in something, that means they will be focused and eager to learn it. You can teach almost anything to a student who wants to learn it. Motivation is everything.

I hope this helps. It's early in the morning and I'm writing this on my Kindle so it's probably rambly and missing things. I'll try to remedy that throughout the day.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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I find it amazing that with all the interest in bio-mimicry, this hasn't been tried before. Did nobody ever ask why all plants share a very similar architecture? They've even made solar cells that look like leaves before http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20080527/152443... , but nobody bothered to test if a tree-like structure gathered more energy.

I'd bet that it's because tree-like structures are actually less efficient for general practice despite what this article claims.
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