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Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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IPv6 dates back to 1997 and it really should have been adopted more urgently. IPv4 isn’t a huge issue but it sucks that so much of the internet is dependent on cloud providers because it’s the simplest way to get a public IP address. The decentralized web didn’t happen, in part, because of this. Facebook was famously started and hosted in a dorm room. But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within th…

> Facebook was famously started and hosted in a dorm room. But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within the advent of the internet and the fact that they had such an excess of addresses that Zuck could bind to a public IP address. I'm fairly certain the version of Facebook that was hosted from Zuckerberg's dorm room was just for Harvard students, and wasn't accessible from outside the campus networ…

Nearly all of your text about early Facebook is incorrect.

It was originally hosted on Harvard's servers, and lasted only a few hours before the administration pulled the plug on facemash, which was basically a 'hot or not' clone.

Then they rented a server for $85/mo. and launched thefacebook.com a few weeks later.

Both sites were on the public internet.

https://www.fastcompany.com/59441/facebooks-mark-zuckerberg-...

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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post #176
post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have like 10 but i agree as well

I have more than 10 but I also agree. I’m not squatting, I have a plan for each one, and the threat of losing them would be a great motivator to actually build all these little projects! OTOH there would probably just be “not squatting” services just like there were/are “under construction” landing pages.

The threat of losing my domains would cause me not to register them in the first place, which would hamper little people like me with small ideas, but probably not actually hurt squatters much since they'd be actively protecting their investments.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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post #152
post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $20/mo would have got you enough to get started. What? Have you forgotten what your first time was like? There is a huge difference between thinking: > "I build my first shitty website, if i leave my PC on everybody in the world can use it. Who knows what will happen?" And instead being required to go: > "I'll spend 20$ a month to maybe entertain a couple of people for a couple of minutes by using someone else's ha…

There's a huge difference alright. It was never a good idea to host a public site on one's personal computer with all the sensitive personal data on it where it could be hacked or DDOSed. Even when IPv4 addresses were easy to get it was a very bad idea. When you factor buying a separate server, 20$ a month doesn't sound too bad.

> It was never a good idea to host a public site on one's personal computer

You could run it in a VM, which is equivalent to what your 20$ host is doing. Or you could run it on a separate machine. Or you can run it on the same machine which was common back in the day... if you use a reputable distro and apply updates regularly then it's really not a concern (i can't remember myself or anyone i know hacked through vulnerable packages, except for Worpress but that's precisely because it's not packaged by Debian).

> 20$ a month doesn't sound too bad

Doesn't it? I guess it's a matter of age and class and nationality. If you're too young to earn money, it's a barrier. If you're in the lower classes of your country, 20$/month can be a lot (that's like food for 30 days for one person). If you're in a "poor" country (i.e. neo-colony depleted of its resources by global north countries), 20$/month can even be considered a decent monthly income.

> buying a separate server

That's the thing. You usually don't have to buy it. It's old hardware lying around or that someone will donate for the purpose of running fun projects.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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IPv6 dates back to 1997 and it really should have been adopted more urgently. IPv4 isn’t a huge issue but it sucks that so much of the internet is dependent on cloud providers because it’s the simplest way to get a public IP address. The decentralized web didn’t happen, in part, because of this. Facebook was famously started and hosted in a dorm room. But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within th…

You can host more than one domain per ip. And most hosting providers, not just cloud providers do also offer packages with a static IP address. Yes, we do not have enough IP address for all IoT devices, for all refrigerators and smart bulbs.

> You can host more than one domain per ip.

Yes, but some things become tricky:

- SMTP reputation is related with reverse DNS of your public IP

- reverse-proxying TLS-encrypted trafic relies on SNI headers, which not all protocols implement

- some protocols entirely don't have a virtualhost (domain) notion, like gopher or SSH

Overall, it's not so easy and simple. Sure i don't care that IoT devices don't have public addresses. To be honest, i'm firmly against IoT as a dystopian nightmare (good luck breaking into your home when your "smart lock" fails). However, public addresses and symmetric bandwidth are very important politically speaking, because they ensure that everyone is given equal opportunity to publish information.

Before the Internet, we had mostly asymmetrical communications. Newspaper required considerable resources to setup, and radio stations were (and still are) government-approved because there is limited channels available... so people could only consume information, not spread it. The Internet did away with this scarcity by having all IP addresses created equal, and everybody having as much upload than download speed (before xDSL).

Internet was the first network where everybody could create content and actually practice what some people call "freedom of speech" for a marginal cost. If you take away public IPs or introduce asymmetric bandwidth, it's not the Internet anymore: you are creating yet another passive consumption network where big corps and nation states tell you what to think.

I personally think asymmetric DSL is the worst that happened to the Internet so far. It's created the idea that there's different hardware and connectivity for clients (we the people), and for servers (fancy machines in datacenters)... two different classes of devices if you will. Nothing could be further from the truth, but this manipulation by the telco industry gave birth to the centralized hosting hellscape (GAFAM) that we know today.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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post #192
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any security aspect to NAT, you're relying on the fact nobody's added an upstream route back to you: https://www.anvilsecure.com/blog/dhcp-games-with-smart-route...

NAT without port forwarding done by router facing the ISP, the default kind of NAT which the subscriber does not have to worry about configuring, has very great security aspect. Connect your home network devices to the router doing that kind of NAT,and this automatically protects all devices in your local network from incoming connections.

Yes, but that's an unintended consequence and cannot be relied upon. Any default-configuration firewall would achieve the same, but in a more reliable manner.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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IPv6 dates back to 1997 and it really should have been adopted more urgently. IPv4 isn’t a huge issue but it sucks that so much of the internet is dependent on cloud providers because it’s the simplest way to get a public IP address. The decentralized web didn’t happen, in part, because of this. Facebook was famously started and hosted in a dorm room. But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within th…

“ But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within the advent of the internet and the fact that they had such an excess of addresses that Zuck could bind to a public IP address.” This sounds interesting. Can you ELI5?

> Can you ELI5?

There was a time when the Internet was not divided between producers and consumers of content, but everyone was an equal netizen with publishing capabilities. Then came asymmetric connections, and datacenters, and the modern hellhole we all know to well.

It's never too late to act: many "community networks" are doing an amazing job to promote selfhosting and hosting cooperatives.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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For DNS specifically, CNAME responses applying for the whole domain name instead of a specific record type was definitely a mistake in hindsight. It's just because of that decision that we can't have CNAMEs at the apex, which definitely is in the way in a bunch of situations.
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