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Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by oauea »

yyyk wrote: post #152
Azsy wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $20/mo would have got you enough to get started. What? Have you forgotten what your first time was like? There is a huge difference between thinking: > "I build my first shitty website, if i leave my PC on everybody in the world can use it. Who knows what will happen?" And instead being required to go: > "I'll spend 20$ a month to maybe entertain a couple of people for a couple of minutes by using someone else's ha…

There's a huge difference alright. It was never a good idea to host a public site on one's personal computer with all the sensitive personal data on it where it could be hacked or DDOSed. Even when IPv4 addresses were easy to get it was a very bad idea. When you factor buying a separate server, 20$ a month doesn't sound too bad.

When I was a teen I could definitely not afford 20$ a month on something like that. I could barely afford my MMO subscription!

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by biztos »

graiz wrote: post #90

I've thought about this a lot. I'd throw away HTML/CSS and start over with a client centric rendering protocol that is based on presentation first and semantics second. The language would be run-time compiled to describe exactly what needs to be rendered on the page and would be streamable to prevent rendering locks. Typical page size would go from 1M typical to 64K-128K being typical. Images would stream in after in…

How would this handle accessibility?

64-128K page size is perfectly doable in HTML today if anybody actually cares enough to do it. How much of the bloat in say an Amazon page is the JavaScript?

Is there something about your protocol that would prevent the big players from re-normalizing 1M page size with it?

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by powersnail »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #15

Get rid of most of JS to prevent 'appification' and keep the focus document centered. Edit: I think this would result in protocols over walled gardens. The problem is JS makes HTTP/HTML everything to everyone.

I feel that it will just result in more walled gardens.

Eventually, someone would try to ship everything to everyone through the internet, and they'll figure out a way. It's all just byte streams anyway. Perhaps something like java applet or Flash, or some worse version of "Click this to install our plugin".

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by mojuba »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #129

Domain parking/squatting is disallowed. You’d have to make the rules in some imperfect way, but it’d be better than what we have today.

Domain squatting is like a disease, but how would you regulate it? Where is the line between just a parked domain that a lot of tech (and non-tech) people reserve for their future projects, and a domain acquired for re-sale? Given a good offer you would probably sell one of the domains you own just as well, wouldn't you?

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by bawolff »

Nevermark wrote: post #14

End to end encryption and tracking-resistance at a low enough protocol level that most developers or users would never know the pain of even thinking about either. Imagine how many times security and privacy have been reimplemented in different contexts. And that patchwork approach will incentivize security breaches and manipulation through dark surveillance until ... no end in sight.

Distributing keys gets harder the lower you go.

Although even non authenticated encryption is nice to prevent passive eavesdropping.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by biztos »

8eye wrote: post #151
beebeepka wrote: post #138

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I have several domain names that I am not using but you're right

i have like 10 but i agree as well

I have more than 10 but I also agree. I’m not squatting, I have a plan for each one, and the threat of losing them would be a great motivator to actually build all these little projects!

OTOH there would probably just be “not squatting” services just like there were/are “under construction” landing pages.

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Post by nlitened »

Nevermark wrote: post #143
nlitened wrote: post #136

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We already have that. It’s called Java

Java might have been that, if HTML and all the other web tech had never happened and Mosaic, Netscape Navigator, etc. had started out as Java sandboxes.

If Java has obviously not outcompeted HTML, one should reflect, in which way HTML is obviously better in things that matter compared to a code sandbox.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by I_complete_me »

hkt wrote: post #159
abakker wrote: post #49

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why not just extend the email protocol to really support open calendars, open social networks (decentralized) and open p2p chat? email is a nice way of addressing, but we underuse that address compared to all the balkanized post-email systems.

There are efforts in those directions: https://delta.chat/en/ implements encrypted IM over email. https://jmap.io/spec-calendars.html is the calendaring spec for IMAP's likely successor https://webfinger.net/ is the (appallingly named) http protocol for finding named people such that social connections can be made and managed. Some extensions exist for services that commonly run with email that provide webfinger serv…

Delta chat look very interesting, thanks for mentioning it. What are the possible downsides? Looks like a winning tech to my non-tech eyes.

Re: Ask HN: If the Internet were redesigned today, what changes would you make?

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Post by DeathArrow »

nickysielicki wrote: post #9

IPv6 dates back to 1997 and it really should have been adopted more urgently. IPv4 isn’t a huge issue but it sucks that so much of the internet is dependent on cloud providers because it’s the simplest way to get a public IP address. The decentralized web didn’t happen, in part, because of this. Facebook was famously started and hosted in a dorm room. But this was only possible due to the history of Harvard within th…

You can host more than one domain per ip. And most hosting providers, not just cloud providers do also offer packages with a static IP address.

Yes, we do not have enough IP address for all IoT devices, for all refrigerators and smart bulbs.

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