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An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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20k rpm is relatively clunky F1 combustion engine territory. I find it hard to believe spinning an electric motor and a relatively light and small disc that fast is much of a challenge to keep together, especially in such a coddled environment. Even back in the early 90s my RC10 had a 38k rpm "modified" motor; the Motown Missile. That thing lived through hell...

Tesla Model S Plaid electric motor is said to reach 20k RPM but needs to be carbon-sleeved: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/o4k0xa/up_to_2...

NR750 went to 21 thousand

CBR250rr to 20, and those were actually street legal, and there are still a lot of them on the roads.

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in the mid 90s, i once found a 2gb barracuda (1st gen 7200rpm 3.5" double height hard disk) in the ez-ad. there wasn't much market for huge server type drives where i lived, and the owner was interested in a trade of some random bike parts and a cd-rom drive (a screaming deal, but honestly he just wanted to get rid of it).

it would heat the whole case it was mounted in and make enough noise to be heard rooms away... but it was fast! and two gigabytes was enough for not just one but mulitple linux partitions alongside windows and os/2.

i remember a friend's father losing his shit when i told him i had such a large disk. because it was built for the datacenter, i had to use an external desk fan to cool it. it was simultaneously completely impractical and totally awesome.

ed: there's the beast. shocked you can still buy it! forgot it was scsi (which also made it even faster because the good adaptec scsi adapters of the day offloaded i/o interrupts from the main cpu)! https://www.priceblaze.com/st12550n.html?ref=gshp&msclkid=e8...

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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> F1 engines are rebuilt after every race. Even if what you said were true, so what? We're talking about a tiny spinning disc on a brushless hub motor. There's basically a single moving part, maybe a few more if riding on ball bearings. Do you have any understanding of what is going on inside a many-cylinder internal combustion piston engine spinning at 20k rpm? We can view the flywheel as the hard disk platter equiv…

You're underselling what HDDs do. The seeks they have to do are so precision, if you made the hard drive the size of the earth, the "head" would still only be a couple meters from the ground and it would have to go any square meter on the entire earth in 1/100 of a second. It's absolutely incredible that the tiny SATA bay in my computer holds an 18TB drive. That's 18 * 8 trillion bits of data, or if the hard drive ha…

You're ignoring the statement I'm actually responding to:

"Part of the problem is keeping the platters together at those speeds"

I'm not speaking to seeking or precision at all, only pointing out there's not really any challenge in keeping the platters together at these speeds.

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not much around that's as satisfying sounding as starting up a big full-size ATX case crammed with raptors. starting up a big lathe or mill spindle, or maybe a large phase converter with a heavy lever switch come close, but they don't scratch that "i'm in a super computer lab" itch as much as the fantastic whir of a raptor RAID. utilitarian feature : you could hear a bad sector from anywhere in a large room.

The motors in a Tesla can go up to 18,000rpm (20,000rpm in the carbon-wrapped Plaid motors). They sound pretty cool when you floor it.[1] Though once you pick up speed all you can hear is wind noise. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rg75JbVOpg

That one has a bad bearing, as noted in the description. Normally they don't whir nearly as much...

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These drives felt so amazing back then. I put two in RAID0 in the first PC I ever built and it seemed mind blowingly fast. Super expensive at the time compared to other storage, but it was the best you could get on consumer grade hardware (i.e. SATA). For some reason I feel more fondly about the Raptors than I do about my first SSD (an Intel X25-M). Maybe it's just age...

The X25-M felt like I V8 swapped my 2006 MacBook. That thing was world changing. The 10k drives were fast, but for mostly laptop users the SSD was such a shift in speed it was uncanny.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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not much around that's as satisfying sounding as starting up a big full-size ATX case crammed with raptors. starting up a big lathe or mill spindle, or maybe a large phase converter with a heavy lever switch come close, but they don't scratch that "i'm in a super computer lab" itch as much as the fantastic whir of a raptor RAID. utilitarian feature : you could hear a bad sector from anywhere in a large room.

I used to work for HGST (now absorbed into WD) in the EMEA Enterprise Support lab. My main role was setting up PoC/testing systems, and support for high capacity SAS/helium drives, although I mostly worked with high-capacity flash boards and arrays. The 15K rpm drives could sometimes be quite noisy; especially with 48 or more in an array. Three of the engineers with whom I worked specialised in disk failure analysis;…

one of their tools was an inductive telephone earpiece pickup coil with suction cup, connected to a small amplified speaker.

Ah, yes, the Mark I Real-Time Fourier Analyzer.

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These drives felt so amazing back then. I put two in RAID0 in the first PC I ever built and it seemed mind blowingly fast. Super expensive at the time compared to other storage, but it was the best you could get on consumer grade hardware (i.e. SATA). For some reason I feel more fondly about the Raptors than I do about my first SSD (an Intel X25-M). Maybe it's just age...

The X25-M felt like I V8 swapped my 2006 MacBook. That thing was world changing. The 10k drives were fast, but for mostly laptop users the SSD was such a shift in speed it was uncanny.

+1. Made me realize that the processor and ram aren’t everything when it comes to a responsive system.
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