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An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Bit of a blast from the past, I did own one of these and certainly it felt faster than anything I had used before. Am I right in saying 10k RPM is about the upper limit for spinning disks?

No. There's a tradeoff. Faster drives means more power, more heat, more vibrations, more noise, less durability. Spinning disk is mainly about price per byte at good performance - there's simply no market.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Bit of a blast from the past, I did own one of these and certainly it felt faster than anything I had used before. Am I right in saying 10k RPM is about the upper limit for spinning disks?

There are also 15,000 RPM drives but they were exclusive to the server market. They were small and extremely loud. Their IOPs and latency was even better. Funny: https://www.servethehome.com/seagate-launches-final-15k-rpm-...

"In summary, 15K RPM hard drives are less dense, use more power and have performance somewhere between 1/4th and 1/300th of a SSD."

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Bit of a blast from the past, I did own one of these and certainly it felt faster than anything I had used before. Am I right in saying 10k RPM is about the upper limit for spinning disks?

20,000 RPM disks were trialed but I don’t know if they ever saw production. Part of the problem is keeping the platters together at those speeds; and about that time SSDs took over.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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post #11
post #2

Bit of a blast from the past, I did own one of these and certainly it felt faster than anything I had used before. Am I right in saying 10k RPM is about the upper limit for spinning disks?

No. There's a tradeoff. Faster drives means more power, more heat, more vibrations, more noise, less durability. Spinning disk is mainly about price per byte at good performance - there's simply no market.

And if people remember Bryan Cantrill datacenter vibration video, it quickly becomes problematic.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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I still have my Raptor X, the one with the clear window in the top cover. Used it until 2017 or so because the enjoyment I got seeing the head whiz around was far greater than marginally faster loading on an SSD! I'm sure I'll use the drive again on a retro project eventually.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Lovely drives - built a system with 3 of them - 2x74Gb one for OS and another for core programs and a 32GB one dedicated to swap/TEMP. Got well over a decade solid use out of those and only just retired the last of those drives last month. They did do a later generation that could do 15k RPM but by then SSD's were starting to become trusted and more palatable price wise, though I dare an SSD of that ere to work near…

I don't think that the (Veloci)raptor ever reached 15,000 RPM. Such drives do exist but as far as I know, they always were exclusive to the server market.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. There's a tradeoff. Faster drives means more power, more heat, more vibrations, more noise, less durability. Spinning disk is mainly about price per byte at good performance - there's simply no market.

And if people remember Bryan Cantrill datacenter vibration video, it quickly becomes problematic.

That was Brendan Gregg :-)

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Wasn't part of the motivation for moving to 2.5" seek time? The arm has a shorter distance to travel?

I heard about a hack I never tried, myself, where you buy an oversized hard drive and only use the beginning of it. Hard drives store data from the outside in, so you can improve latency by minimizing arm travel, and improve throughput by storing data where the linear velocity is faster. No idea how big of a difference this would make.

Re: An ode to the 10,000 RPM Western Digital (Veloci)Raptor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if people remember Bryan Cantrill datacenter vibration video, it quickly becomes problematic.

That was Brendan Gregg :-)

oh right, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4

it was on bryan's youtube only

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