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The metaverse is bullshit

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Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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post #445

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The point is that this technology forum is in the sad state of being consistently dismissive of novel technology.

Yup HN is legacy at this point. A bunch of old people yelling at clouds. It’s the new Slashdot. So it goes.

I've seen all kinds of demographics and localities on HN. What would be the new HN then?

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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I think that a lot of the cynicism about this space comes from theorisers who have not yet tried VR for themselves and experienced viscerally + emotionally for themselves, the fact that it is a total game-changer for work and play. The thing with this space is, enough smart people are sufficiently excited by this new media and working on realising its potential, that it will inevitably end up producing value that can…

You may be right on some level. I’ve used VR a bit. Was kind of neat and novel at first. Made me want to puke after a five minutes of use.

Then again, I don’t game for the same reason.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that successful projects like the internet, the original Oculus, Email, IRC ... these were not created by huge companies with huge budgets, they were projects of passion usually at most 5 people.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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> Billions and billions spent on making movies as polished as possible, yet "I thought the book was better" is what we always hear. How many people watched game of thrones? How many people read all of the published books in a song of ice and fire? The book might be better but movies and TV are a lot more popular.

Books tap directly into the imagination in a way that films (very) rarely do. The most amazing special effects in the world can't match my imagination for fidelity and if they did, they'd still not be mine . I've noticed that the book to TV/movies I like aren't because they are good adaptations so much as they are close to what I imagined. It's rare that happens but when it does it makes the TV show a deeply enjoyabl…

If you see Dune in a theatre with good enough sound and screen (ex. IMAX), it’s an incredible experience in a way a book could not be. Not saying it’s “better”, it’s just different in a fundamentally incomparable way.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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post #354

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That we, "the old folks", just don't get it, limited by having passed our "exploratory" phase and well into "exploitation" phase (something I read here in HN the other day). And they may have a point: after all, "the old folks" 30 years ago were saying the same thing about the Internet, well into 2000s.

Oh come on. Usenet in the 1980s was full of people in their 30s, 40s, and beyond. Sure, some people didn't "get" the internet, but millions of demographically similar people were getting value out of it. That isn't happening, and won't happen, with this metaverse BS. And if it does, attentive people of all ages will see it coming many years in advance.

I've read a lot of game reviews on VR and was surprised about demographics. Lots of older (40+) people there. Anyone has more reliable stats?

I personally feel that hardware need to be next-gen as I am nauseus but would be happy to have discord alternative to play in VR. Imagine drawing board, fake cinema, sharing games, arranging common space minecraft-like. I think this will work. You login after work and do creative shit with buddies.

This is how it works for me now but we have discord and own game that we work on. Happy to upgrade XP when new hardware comes.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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post #420

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Sounds like you're speaking from experience here, so it's not for me to tell you you're wrong to feel that way. But from my POV, we've started using VR for work meetings/social gatherings (we're a remote company, myself in Spain, the majority in SF), and we've been able to achieve a level of rapport with each-other that's just not possible via a webcam. We will definitely continue to use it.

That’s super weird. I’d look for a new job real quick if I was required to do stand up with be goggles in. WTF is wrong with people… Rapport is built through authenticity and vulnerability, not fucking avatars.

Avatars may provide a better way to express authenticity and vulnerability compared to text or a video call.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you're speaking from experience here, so it's not for me to tell you you're wrong to feel that way. But from my POV, we've started using VR for work meetings/social gatherings (we're a remote company, myself in Spain, the majority in SF), and we've been able to achieve a level of rapport with each-other that's just not possible via a webcam. We will definitely continue to use it.

That’s super weird. I’d look for a new job real quick if I was required to do stand up with be goggles in. WTF is wrong with people… Rapport is built through authenticity and vulnerability, not fucking avatars.

Nobody is forcing us to use this tech. If we all happened to agree that it was annoying or "super weird" then we would just opt out.

Fact is, that for now it feels valuable enough for us to keep using it (more so for social 'hangouts' than for things like stand-ups, which we still do via Zoom and where we can be as authentic and vulnerable as we like)

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Text is mightier than the Metaverse. Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. News and politics junkies prefer reading text tweets on Twitter to watching talking news anchors. Once upon a time Amazon was a company that only sold books. Dried ink on dead trees. And in the early internet age this book seller outperformed…

Remember Clubhouse? The $1bn Unicorn? Basically defunct now because people just defaulted back to passive aggressive typing.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Text is mightier than the Metaverse. Kids can do video calls with their smartphones but prefer texting. We could discuss Hacker News stories with video chat but we prefer text. News and politics junkies prefer reading text tweets on Twitter to watching talking news anchors. Once upon a time Amazon was a company that only sold books. Dried ink on dead trees. And in the early internet age this book seller outperformed…

You ignore Youtube, Twitch, Instagram, TikTok, the entire gaming industry, the entire entertainment industry, the entire sports industry, I can go on.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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This article nails it. Particularly the part where the author reminds us that Gibson's cyberspace and Stephenson's metaverse were both DYStopias run by and for massive evil corporations. It's like they are trying to make that awful future a reality.
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