The metaverse is bullshit • Hacker News Board

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by egypturnash » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

muskmusk wrote: post #137

wokwokwok wrote: post #43

the good news is that the metaverse and the tech industry's very expensive obsession with trying to make it a reality will be a schadenfreude generator the likes of which we've never seen before The tech landscape is littered with failed attempts, but we have here two very technically successful companies, Epic and Facebook, both trying to re-imagine the internet as something different. I'm not sure I'd write them of…

Amen :) The metaverse is poorly communicated. Revolutions start at level 1, but communication sometimes start at level 25. level 1 for smart phones: Read email/chat while waiting for the bus level 25 for smart phones: A large economy with global behemoth corporations built on the premise that everyone has computers in their pockets Level 1 for metaverse: You can now work from your couch/porch/beachhouse/bustop as you…

I am surprised to find that a small shade for my laptop screen made out of some illustration board evidently qualifies it as a "metaverse" device, because I sure do get a lot of work done out in the park.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by tarkin2 » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

Jasper_ wrote: post #52

> In a September 2021 Washington Post interview, Tim Sweeney imagined the future of advertising. "A carmaker who wants to make a presence in the metaverse isn't going to run ads," he said. "They're going to drop their car into the world in real time and you'll be able to drive it around. And they're going to work with lots of content creators with different experiences to ensure their car is playable here and there,…

So is the metaverse AR adverts? Makes sense I guess. "Please go into an AR world, then our advertisers will be able to 'physically' interact with you."

Advertisers will no longer just manipulate what we read or see but now what we interact with. Makes me yearn for the ceefax thing on the frontpage.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by breakfastduck » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:44 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #360

hansel_der wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to dispute your point, but netflix is a library

Uh, no? A library lends out books/media to people at no cost. How is Netflix, a publicly traded for-profit company, anything like a non-profit, usually government-owned library?

Well other than the cost its essentially the same experience for the user

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by jonplackett » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

ikr678 wrote: post #338

jonplackett wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this has it backwards. Cars are a symbol of status and people will want to have that status wherever they are - look at how much people will pay for a skin in Fortnite. I think it’s more likely car manufacturers (the expensive ones) will only let you drive their car in the metaverse if you buy it for real in the real world. If this metaverse really does come to pass, it will be just as (if not more) valua…

So, BMW amiibos? Sport team season ticket holders getting exclusive digital jerseys to wear? College students getting a code to unlock digital shirt of their alma mater? Brand affiliation as an identity marker in a virtual space makes sense.

Yeah, that’s kind what I mean

But in the end it will be whoever’s walled garden the metaverse is planted in that makes the real money. 15% of everything.

That’s why fb want this so bad.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by bombcar » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

Talanes wrote: post #328

bombcar wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any game that implements a form of fast travel finds 95% or players use it all the time or most of the time. Sure you could run to Stormwind - but even the tram was completely dead one griffon flight points were usable.

Weird example. That Gryphon ride is slower than taking the tram, or at least it used to be. The advantage of the Gryphon ride is that it was automatic.

I remember those arguments and races - and it all fell aside when people just hearthstones you Dalaran which was faster than both.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by capableweb » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

breakfastduck wrote: post #423

capableweb wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, no? A library lends out books/media to people at no cost. How is Netflix, a publicly traded for-profit company, anything like a non-profit, usually government-owned library?

Well other than the cost its essentially the same experience for the user

Again, no. Try writing Netflix and ask if they can add something to their "library", they won't. Libraries adds stuff based on user requests all the time, and even have 3rd party loans so you can borrow books from another library via the one you have access to.

All Netflix cares about is profits. All libraries care about is sharing. They are two very different entities except for the fact that they deal with media. They are more different than they are similar.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by stevespang » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:55 PM UTC

. . . . every tech billionaire (so far, Zuckerberg) on the planet slobber all over themselves as they declare the metaverse—the next phase of human culture!!

. . . The absolute gleeful, cackling, deep-in-my-bones certainty that it's all complete bullshit.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by syshum » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:56 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #360

hansel_der wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to dispute your point, but netflix is a library

Uh, no? A library lends out books/media to people at no cost. How is Netflix, a publicly traded for-profit company, anything like a non-profit, usually government-owned library?

You are right, netflix is better. Netflix has to earns its money, netflix has a serve its customers, Netflix has to provide value to each individual subscriber.

The government does not have do any of these things, they just seize money via threats of violence. There is no comparison.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by greggh » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:58 PM UTC

danaris wrote: post #411

wruza wrote: post #171

This thread feels like 1860's consilium on what future will look like 500 years later. The shape of the metaverse will be formed by a new generation, not by older guys (and not by fortnite addicts who play by the rules of the former) who know nothing better than drive a fancy “car” on the “road”, as if roads or a concept of physical movement or the euclidean rule would still be there for common use and not for museum…

> The shape of the metaverse will be formed by a new generation Even this begs the question. Why do people take it as a given that there will be a "metaverse"? I mean, personally, I think that a genuinely interoperable, decentralized VR/AR infrastructure would be pretty neat—I have no idea if it would solve any specific real-world problems, but "decentralized and interoperable" is a world better than the systems we'v…

It does not beg the question. It raises the question.

Any form of argument where the conclusion is assumed in one of the premises. Many people use the phrase "begging the question" incorrectly when they use it to mean, "prompts one to ask the question". That is NOT the correct usage. Begging the question is a form of circular reasoning.

Logical Form:

Claim X assumes X is true.

Therefore, claim X is true.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by arisAlexis » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 1:59 PM UTC

drvdevd wrote: post #340

arisAlexis wrote: post #308

This is a huge ignorant rant and expresses the anger of the unknown that is coming and anger for missing out. For every new technology there are always articles condemning them. People are resistent to change and that has been proven.

I wouldn't call it an ignorant rant per se, unless the author has not spent much time in an Oculus headset. I had a dev kit in 2013, forgot about it and now have a Quest 2. Will it take over the world? I'm not sure yet but it is a breathtaking improvement in the past decade IMO. If I had a sufficiently advanced, light headset, that could mimic all the functions of my smartphone in VR/AR, I can tell you I would ditch…

"The absurdity of it makes me want to scream, or maybe die, or maybe just spoon out the part of my brain that knows what an NFT" this fits the definition of rant I would say.