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So anyway, if I were to become super good at SEO, would I be able to make a full time living off of it?
There are many reasons why someone who is really good at SEO might not be rich. That goes for any white collar profession, like say lawyering. See that unrich lawyer, what's wrong with him? Maybe he's not good at lawyering, but is good at writing about lawyering or playing a lawyer on a social network, which describes quite a few SEO "experts." Maybe he's good at lawyering but not good at extracting value from it. Maybe he works in a sector where money does not naturally concentrate, like public interest law. Maybe he doesn't really care for money. Maybe he's rich and doesn't feel like talking about it. Maybe he's playing a different game or one with different time horizons.
As to whether you can make a full-time living doing SEO: yes. People do. Nota bene: most of the SEOs I know have diverse skill sets -- some understand broader marketing well, some have deeper technical abilities, some have ready access to capital, some have domain expertise or industry connections, etc etc. The field is quite like programming in that regard.
There are some SEOs that do extraordinarily well for themselves. Think of an industry awash with cash, like say consumer finance. Does there exist an affiliate program in consumer finance? Does there exist advertising in consumer finance? If so, is there any space for a new entrant in this field? If yes, there exists at least a few SEOs who are probably doing pretty well for themselves. There are many reasons why som…
I'm only getting into the whole marketing thing now, and I gotta say it's pretty interesting, and studying it is not a grind at all. I am a programmer, and I thought search marketing would be a nice skill set for my new hobby of micropreneurship.
It's really interesting how you mention that there are people who are good at teaching SEO, and people who are good at actually executing SEO. I guess I should start applying what I've learned!
SEO is very much a long term project, so you need to have long term goals in order to truly succeed. I'm close with many affiliates who make a metric shit ton of money with SEO. But that's because they build good sites, they aggressively build links, and they don't fall for all the guru crap that floats all over the internet. And they pick niches that are evergreen and will be around 1, 2, 3+ years from now.
The bottom line is that 99.9% of SEO Experts online don't know a damn thing and simply steal/borrow/copy SEO maxims from others. It's an info circlejerk really.
Any SEO who says spam doesn't work has never spammed, because it does. Any SEO who says duplicate content doesn't work has never scraped, because dupe content works.
And so on and so on. It's a whole lot of FUD in the industry, FUD that gets newbies really excited and then leaves them wondering why they suck and everyone else is ballin'.
It doesn't just "happen" for everyone. A SEO god is pulling in millions per year, but so is everyone in the top 1-2% of their industry. The money is there, but you likely will not get it.
Remember the barriers to entry here are zero - anyone with the desire can get in that game. It is crowded. Your first idea has to be to find a market/niche, and then go full out. Then you have to repeat. One a week while keeping up everything. Once you have 52 hooks in the water you'll start to do OK, assuming you've done everything the way you should. It is a lot harder then you think!
SEO is very much a long term project, so you need to have long term goals in order to truly succeed. I'm close with many affiliates who make a metric shit ton of money with SEO. But that's because they build good sites, they aggressively build links, and they don't fall for all the guru crap that floats all over the internet. And they pick niches that are evergreen and will be around 1, 2, 3+ years from now.
The bottom line is that 99.9% of SEO Experts online don't know a damn thing and simply steal/borrow/copy SEO maxims from others. It's an info circlejerk really.
Any SEO who says spam doesn't work has never spammed, because it does. Any SEO who says duplicate content doesn't work has never scraped, because dupe content works.
And so on and so on. It's a whole lot of FUD in the industry, FUD that gets newbies really excited and then leaves them wondering why they suck and everyone else is ballin'.
I personally know of one SEO who earns upwards of $50k/month. While not exactly super rich, I wouldn't complain about that kind of money!
I personally know of one SEO who earns upwards of $50k/month. While not exactly super rich, I wouldn't complain about that kind of money!
And how is he doing it? What's special about him? Does he have industry-specific knowledge, does he know how to get big accounts?
He can point to previous clients whose traffic has jumped 2, 3 or 4 times over after he went through their sites.
People will happily pay $50,000 to make an extra $200,000. If he just said to them "give me $50,000 and I'll do your SEO", he'd be laughed out.