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Prague's Brutalist Buildings

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Re: Prague's Brutalist Buildings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just about to mention Belgrade, imo it has the best brutalist buildings outside of the former Soviet Union countries, that's (also) why it is on my to-visit-soon list.

Belgrade was not a part of the Soviet Union

Uh...that's what he said? Had it been a part of USSR, it wouldn't have been outside of it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just about to mention Belgrade, imo it has the best brutalist buildings outside of the former Soviet Union countries, that's (also) why it is on my to-visit-soon list.

Belgrade was not a part of the Soviet Union

That's why I've said "outside of the former Soviet Union", inside the former Soviet Union there are cities which can compete with Belgrade on the brutalist front, from what I was able to see from IG Sankt Petersburg and Kyiv are quite interesting on that front. To say nothing of the brutalist Soviet bus stations which deserve an architectural category/style all for themselves [1]

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/sep/02...

Re: Prague's Brutalist Buildings

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A long time resident of Prague. I hate this shit. All of it. If there ever was an architecture designed to squeeze the soul out of you, spit on it, curb-stomp it AND, to add insult to injury, age like milk in absence of proper maintenance, this is it. The modern glass-and-steel architecture is "only" soulless in comparison.

While I tend to agree that brutalist is sometimes an excuse for ugly, even you gotta admit that most of the pictures in the article are quite stunning.

The thing is, quite a lot of those things look better when photoed from a distance and much less so when you actually need to walk around them in your daily life.

I used to live next to two rather famous Brutalist buildings. One of them was actually kept in good order and the original architect seemed not to be outright enemy of mankind. It still had a score of problems, but well.

The other one was beyond ugly; it was actively evil. I wasn't surprised when I later learnt that the Communist secret police (StB) had extensive wiretapping and surveillance facilities there, among others. It was just a perfect fit.

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A long time resident of Prague. I hate this shit. All of it. If there ever was an architecture designed to squeeze the soul out of you, spit on it, curb-stomp it AND, to add insult to injury, age like milk in absence of proper maintenance, this is it. The modern glass-and-steel architecture is "only" soulless in comparison.

Brutalist architecture is often beautiful, but it certainly wasn't designed for people, but rather as a monuments to the ego of the architect.

I visited one of Le Corbusier's "creations" once (this one: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cit%C3%A9_radieuse_de_Marseill...)

Soul-crushing is indeed the only thing I could think of while there.

[EDIT]: Here's a good article on function vs form:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/10/why-you-hate-contempo...

Best quote in the article, on a design from Peter Eisenman (who IMO lived up to his last name):

"A Peter Eisenman building. Note the total lack of plant life. Plant life might accidentally make you feel happy and comfortable, and happiness is a bourgeois illusion. The tiny figures on the left seem to be attempting a picnic on the curve. They are probably cold and windswept—as they should be."

If you are into these sort of things, here's an interesting read: a debate between Eisenman and Alexander where the latter accuses the former of "fucking up the world"

https://www.ahenryrose.com/resources/alexander-eisenman-the-...

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A long time resident of Prague. I hate this shit. All of it. If there ever was an architecture designed to squeeze the soul out of you, spit on it, curb-stomp it AND, to add insult to injury, age like milk in absence of proper maintenance, this is it. The modern glass-and-steel architecture is "only" soulless in comparison.

While I tend to agree that brutalist is sometimes an excuse for ugly, even you gotta admit that most of the pictures in the article are quite stunning.

I think they are stunning because they are so ugly. Looking at pictures once is one thing and living or working there is another thing. Add the unwanted associations with the totalitarian regime... I have to admit that I am in favor of destroying them and replacing them with something nicer wherever possible. I respect that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; just my $0.02.

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I'm presently looking into building my residence using precast concrete. I love the raw concrete aesthetic,all the benefits from an insurance and maintenance perspective. You folks here are making me doubt the resale value...

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I fail to see the appeal. Much like most modern architecture this style will be applauded by architects, meanwhile they all choose to live in much older style architecture because it's more homely and non-oppressive.

I guess architects are a bit like hedge-fund managers in that regard; they all keep their investments in index funds and not hedge funds.

Complete hypocrisy imho.

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I'd like to remark that the black&white photography somehow accentuate this "brutalist" feeling. It doesn't look as bad in reality. (I am also from Czechoslovakia).

Well... I am glad that nowadays they often paint "paneláky" with some vivid colors. When I think about cold and gray winter days surrounded by huge blocks of cold and gray concrete - it is like personification of depression for me. And now there is usually lawn and some trees but I remember when we moved into one of then new communist housing projects (how would you translate "sídliště"?) when I was a kid - there was nothing nice to look at, just mud and concrete.

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I spent almost a year living in a brutalist building in Prague. It was a concrete slab with an huge central courtyard, like a prison yard. You could not access the courtyard, it was dark and dingy. But it was completely full of pigeons. Maybe a thousand pigeons lived there. The inner balcony at the back of the apartment was caked with about 3" of pigeon shit. One day I woke up and found they were power washing the en…

Sounds like central Prague. Its a strange place (lived there 5 years, moved to better places), what tourists see / are lured at is big pretty medieval centre with rich history. Almost nobody actually lives there, too expensive and impractical.

The rest of the city is properly fugly and depressing, communism made its mark that won't go away for next few centuries.

Most colleagues bought rather houses quite far from the city in the middle of nowhere, dooming themselves to another 30+ years of daily miserable commutes by car. These days, even this is unattainable for most due to price boom. Its a strange place, folks are smart, work is often good but I wouldn't want to live there or raise kids no matter what.

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I'm presently looking into building my residence using precast concrete. I love the raw concrete aesthetic,all the benefits from an insurance and maintenance perspective. You folks here are making me doubt the resale value...

I mean yea most people don’t want to live in a bunker. Ask yourself why everyone talks about and photographs places like Nyhaven in Copenhagen and not Boston City Hall.

With enough money and smart uses of glass you can make a house that is made of concrete but getting it right is going to be a big challenge. A good rule of thumb is to use building materials that would be local to the area and climate and then go from there.

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