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Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by laumars »

narrator wrote: post #78
modeless wrote: post #64

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> why the heck am I driving a car around? I can fly, can't I? By this logic nobody should play Gran Turismo because a Superman game exists. > You can't test legroom or the seat cushions, because your avatar doesn't don't have a body. So I don't see how you can realistically sell an actual real-world car, because isn't most of its function and design unnecessary in the metaverse? By this logic it's pointless to make a…

VR is great for video games, sure. What if I don't like video games though?

I do think the potential around VR is greatly oversold however there are still benefits outside of gaming: concerts, remote conferences, having kick ass multi-screen home office for those who don’t have the space for one.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by cblconfederate »

Animats wrote: post #77

So far, we have three basic "metaverse" approaches. 1. Augmented reality, that is, overlays on the real world. A cross between Pokemon Go and Google Glass. The Facebook version of this would probably look like that "Hyperreality" video I mention too often. This is all too likely to happen, if only to free up the hands of people who walk through the world staring at their phones. John Carmack expects it as soon as the…

I don't believe in headgears, even though facebook will try hard to monetize their investment in oculus. Phones were successful because they adopt the unintrusive form factor of a book: you don't need to make time and space away from reality for it. VR/AR requires the time and space to be alone and it wears out over time as the bandwidth of communication is low, probably even lower than in video chat.

But turning every game to a social 3d world you can use on a laptop and (minimally use) in a phone is something that might work. I mean simple social gaming like farmville is already bridging those form factors.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by noduerme »

narrator wrote: post #78
modeless wrote: post #64

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> why the heck am I driving a car around? I can fly, can't I? By this logic nobody should play Gran Turismo because a Superman game exists. > You can't test legroom or the seat cushions, because your avatar doesn't don't have a body. So I don't see how you can realistically sell an actual real-world car, because isn't most of its function and design unnecessary in the metaverse? By this logic it's pointless to make a…

VR is great for video games, sure. What if I don't like video games though?

Much as I hate FB, as a piano player I loved their little graphic showing how mixed reality would send the notes down to your hand positions on the piano as an endless Star Wars kind of scroll thing. I would do that just to exercise my mind with some classical or jazz pieces. I can think of a slew of other ways VR is useful. Training doctors for surgery. Training pilots. Mechanical engineering and prototyping. None of that means we should live in VR. Just that it's a powerful tool.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by [deleted] »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #149
laumars wrote: post #143

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The point the OP is making is VR isn’t a domain where you test drive practical family cars. Sure you have racing games but how many people can afford, let alone justify, high ended performance cars for their family? And how many racing games do you see where people are driving boring (relatively speaking) family cars? The point about VR games are that they’re an unrealistic escape. If you wanted a 1:1 with actual rea…

I for one am waiting for GT 10: Metaverse. So I can get stuck in virtual traffic, and be late for a virtual meeting.

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Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by scoopertrooper »

modeless wrote: post #64
Jasper_ wrote: post #52

> In a September 2021 Washington Post interview, Tim Sweeney imagined the future of advertising. "A carmaker who wants to make a presence in the metaverse isn't going to run ads," he said. "They're going to drop their car into the world in real time and you'll be able to drive it around. And they're going to work with lots of content creators with different experiences to ensure their car is playable here and there,…

> why the heck am I driving a car around? I can fly, can't I? By this logic nobody should play Gran Turismo because a Superman game exists. > You can't test legroom or the seat cushions, because your avatar doesn't don't have a body. So I don't see how you can realistically sell an actual real-world car, because isn't most of its function and design unnecessary in the metaverse? By this logic it's pointless to make a…

The metaverse goes against consumer trends in web browsing. People want to consume their information on the go while doing other things, this is why mobile presently dominates the web.

Who wants to context switch from reality into a virtual world just so they can see what the new Ford pickup looks like? Nobody, thats who.

This whole concept reads to make like a Facebook exec went into a coma just as Second Life was taking off and woke up recently demanding that Facebook cease on what they believe will clearly be the future of online interaction.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by cblconfederate »

benatkin wrote: post #150
cblconfederate wrote: post #142

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creator makes money from users. consumer who posts comments, like we do here, does not

A creator is also a user, no?

A user of another creator. There is a hieararchy of creators and at the top sits Great Architect Zuck

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by emodendroket »

swiftcoder wrote: post #100
redisman wrote: post #76

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We’re seeing only the first iteration of NFTs. Gaming can be interesting. Like if WoW had some unique Legendaries in NFT form I think that would be interesting and lucrative. I’m not sure if the incentive is there for existing games because you’re giving away control of the economy. But for upstarts they can use this as a way to get players to try their game instead since you could maybe sell some of the items for re…

What on earth does the NFT part add here? WoW can add unique, auctionable items at any time using their existing tech. It's already a centralised platform, so decentrilisation doesn't add much...

That's really my question with almost everything related to crypto, "what is decentralization actually adding here?" It's cool, I guess, but it's wasteful.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by nedsma »

The most important thing in the metaverse will be figuring out ways to make payment methods readily available. An army of analysts is working on this problem right now. Things that are expected to be fun or novel in the metaverse are just proxies to payment methods. Facebook is building a 3D version of Amazon.

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by headmelted »

Jasper_ wrote: post #52

> In a September 2021 Washington Post interview, Tim Sweeney imagined the future of advertising. "A carmaker who wants to make a presence in the metaverse isn't going to run ads," he said. "They're going to drop their car into the world in real time and you'll be able to drive it around. And they're going to work with lots of content creators with different experiences to ensure their car is playable here and there,…

If I’m living my life with my head stuffed into a doohicky then why do I need a car at all?

How much extra do I pay to get wired up to feeding and waste tubes for 24/7 access?

I’ve seen the Matrix, so I assume I need a big pod full of pink gloop in my bathroom too?

Re: The metaverse is bullshit

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Post by CraneWorm »

pmontra wrote: post #93
AlexandrB wrote: post #68

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One way to make money in a metaverse would be to artificially create limitations to what a user can do and then sell them the solutions to those problems. So why not add thirst and hunger meters and then sell food items? Or why not make travel non-instantaneous and then sell faster modes of transit? This is how heavily-monetized games work today and it's not surprising that some in the industry are salivating at the…

If I have to pay for food and transportation to go to a metaverse location to pay my taxes I'll go to the good old web site for free and a fraction of the time.

> I'll go to the good old web site for free and a fraction of the time.

if it still exists. Once the metafart comes to be it will naturally compete with the Web of old, so it will probably look for leverage to extinguish that.

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