I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger • Hacker News Board

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by kube-system » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #89

kube-system wrote: post #75

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Devices connect ground first because if there's a fault when something else connects, they want to be able to send the power to ground. I think his plan was the opposite: to avoid having a path to ground, in the case his body was part of that path.

Isn't your body the best path to ground when the outlet isn't grounded? I kind of see what he's up to, though. Basically, if you touch the hot wire, or one of the screws that it's attached to, you probably get shocked. That is unavoidable; turn off the power before starting work to minimize your risk. (The risk is, of course, never zero, so do be careful even if you're sure the power is off.) If you connect neutral f…

I think that is also likely, but I was thinking along the lines of: yes, your body is the best path to ground when the outlet isn't grounded, but, [hot > body > your shoes > floor] is higher resistance than [hot > body > neutral/ground]

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by Dylan16807 » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:11 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #86

Spare_account wrote: post #62

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UK (230V) here, I've observed electricians working on live circuits frequently. That's why tools like this exist, 'safe' for working up to 1000V: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/c/vde--insulated-tools/ Despite being warned not to over and over again, I have replaced multiple electrical outlets and light switches in my home without flipping the breakers

"Despite being told I was doing something stupid over and over again, I continued to do that stupid thing."

Yes? Do you have anything more to say?

The egg safety standards in the US and EU come to mind. Each standard considers the other standard to be so unsafe it must be banned. But they're both fine.

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #92

IshKebab wrote: post #86

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"Despite being told I was doing something stupid over and over again, I continued to do that stupid thing."

Yes? Do you have anything more to say? The egg safety standards in the US and EU come to mind. Each standard considers the other standard to be so unsafe it must be banned . But they're both fine.

They are both fine, but probably dangerous to have mixed.

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by a1369209993 » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:59 PM UTC

Wulf_ wrote: post #64

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #23

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Was thinking the same thing. Leaving stuff in public that resemble known consumer electronics will guarantee they perform disappearing acts ASAP. Ideally, you'd want something firmly attached to a wall, something that looks industrial/enterprisey, like it's an important part of the building alarm, water, power, HVAC or network system. Then people won't fuck with it. And when you're installing it, wear a brightly colo…

:( it's the second time today I've read the 'F' word on HN. I usually don't encounter it here which makes me like this community more. I'm not a leader of this community so my opinion doesn't matter but as a fellow human I'd like to request that you use another word to express yourself. I know this is subjective but I wanted to share this with you. In any case, I hope you have a good day :)

Die in a fire, politically-correct scum.

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by moksly » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 9:33 AM UTC

dls2016 wrote: post #24

i_like_waiting wrote: post #13

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Yeah, stuxnet type of distribution, you keep few of them around the office "dropped on the pavement" and chance of success is quite high

I’ve heard of IT departments who place USB sticks around the building and then send nasty-grams to whoever plugs it into a device on the corporate network. (I don’t know exact details.)

What I don’t understand about this is how it’s supposed to work.

Plug anything into any port on our machines and it’ll either have the key to be recognised as one or our devices or be denied any sort of access.

This wasn’t always possible, but today even the keyboard is encrypted. And this is in a medium sized Danish municipality with a technical staff of 5, and it department of 20 and 10.000 employees.

If we can do it, any enterprise can do it.

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by moksly » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

tootie wrote: post #27

moksly wrote: post #11

While I’m unsure how it would pick up anything useful I can certainly see how it would work in an enterprise office. I’ve worked in the public sector for decades, and if you left an iPhone charger somewhere in an open office space, it would get used by someone. Slip a few of those chargers into one of our massive orders for hardware and no one would ever find out.

This was probably more useful in the past but nowadays even local traffic is usually encrypted. All you'd catch is DNS lookups.

That’s sort or my point. Everything is encrypted, even your keyboard and mouse are encrypted, so how is this supposed to work?

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by Wulf_ » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:21 AM UTC

peterangular wrote: post #66

Wulf_ wrote: post #64

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:( it's the second time today I've read the 'F' word on HN. I usually don't encounter it here which makes me like this community more. I'm not a leader of this community so my opinion doesn't matter but as a fellow human I'd like to request that you use another word to express yourself. I know this is subjective but I wanted to share this with you. In any case, I hope you have a good day :)

Cursing is pretty common on here. Just re-read the guidelines and there's no rules against inappropriate language like the "f-word"... Especially when considering such a benign usage as the parent comment, ie: just replacing the verb in "mess with" which is not targeting the language at anyone/anything. It may not be as common as other platforms, but casual conversation does happen here which includes the occasional…

Thanks for letting me know, I really appreciate it :)

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by Wulf_ » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 11:22 AM UTC

a1369209993 wrote: post #94

Wulf_ wrote: post #64

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:( it's the second time today I've read the 'F' word on HN. I usually don't encounter it here which makes me like this community more. I'm not a leader of this community so my opinion doesn't matter but as a fellow human I'd like to request that you use another word to express yourself. I know this is subjective but I wanted to share this with you. In any case, I hope you have a good day :)

Die in a fire, politically-correct scum.

lol I hope that gets you through your day

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by throwaway0a5e » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 12:44 PM UTC

Wulf_ wrote: post #97

peterangular wrote: post #66

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Cursing is pretty common on here. Just re-read the guidelines and there's no rules against inappropriate language like the "f-word"... Especially when considering such a benign usage as the parent comment, ie: just replacing the verb in "mess with" which is not targeting the language at anyone/anything. It may not be as common as other platforms, but casual conversation does happen here which includes the occasional…

Thanks for letting me know, I really appreciate it :)

Keep in mind that you're not allowed to use any sort of colorful language when disagreeing with whatever the mainstream take on an issue is. Those people get down-voted and a bunch of "y u so mad" (but in better more relevant words, this is HN, not youtube comments) replies. Hooray for double standards.

Re: I’m putting a WiFi router into a wall charger

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Post by marcosdumay » Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 2:41 PM UTC

Dylan16807 wrote: post #90

marcosdumay wrote: post #83

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A residential voltage electric shock has a low probability of killing you, but each one has that probability, and some day you may be unlucky. Knowing how to move around the wire will further reduce the probability, so you can indeed learn to improve your odds. But still, each shock carries that probability (and it's much higher than the things we consider common, like driving a car in a high-speed road). How many ti…

> How many times are you ok with putting your life at risk? That's not the right question to ask. If it was that black and white then you'd never get in a car.

Ok, if you really want a cost-benefit analysis, please state what is the benefit, because out of not bothering to turn the electricity off or not buying some cheap protection gear, I'm out of ideas.