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Re: Remove the Notch

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Post by munk-a »

Tarragon wrote: post #43
munk-a wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally the thing that really ticks me off is that they "don't allow" you (aka will boot your app if they catch it) to flow content smoothly around the notch. The way it was presented to developers was super obnoxious and, honestly, I don't think anyone would care if their phone was half a centimeter taller. People didn't loathe the iphone back when it had a screen between two bars of utility space.

> they "don't allow" you (aka will boot your app if they catch it) to flow content smoothly around the notch. I don't understand, details please.

From the HIG[1]

> Don’t mask or call special attention to key display features. Don’t attempt to hide a device’s rounded corners, sensor housing, or indicator for accessing the Home screen by placing black bars at the top and bottom of the screen. Don’t use visual adornments like brackets, bezels, shapes, or instructional text to call special attention to these areas, either.

1. https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...

Re: Remove the Notch

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Post by goldcd »

arcticbull wrote: post #27
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

I strongly encourage folks to think about the the notch not as "space taken away from a 14in display" but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space. macOS UI paradigms lend themselves very well to a notch in the top, as top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways. Just like iOS utilizes the left region for time and the r…

Couldn't agree more I was definitely in the 'notch wtf?!' camp (and still don't own a notched device) However I've managed to adjust to various devices having all manner of weird pixel/aspect ratios - and I'm definitely a fan of this after the everything has to be 1080 wilderness years.

I can't help but think a lot of this could have been avoided, if notched screens had just been positioned as the dimensions without the notch - and then offered a 'screen plus' mode that extended the published resolution to use the space on either side of the notch. ~We're not ripping you off, we're offering you extra pixels if you want.

Maybe late adoption of OLED is also to blame - with an OLED a notched screen can look just like a shorter one - and then you're given a choice.

Re: Remove the Notch

#73

Post by drumhead »

TillE wrote: post #59

It's really interesting that the notch was basically only an option on a Mac laptop. It doesn't work at all with Windows or KDE. It almost works on Gnome. But with macOS, the menu bar has been there since the very beginning, and the center of the bar has been increasingly empty as resolutions increased. A fortunate coincidence. The notch is here to stay, until good cameras get a lot smaller. It just makes a ton of se…

Why didnt Apple just strip the camera out entirely and just let users connect one with a thunderbolt cable or a dongle. After all Apple users seemed happy enough with dongles when they had fewer ports on laptops.

Re: Remove the Notch

#74

Post by arcticbull »

goldcd wrote: post #72
arcticbull wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly encourage folks to think about the the notch not as "space taken away from a 14in display" but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space. macOS UI paradigms lend themselves very well to a notch in the top, as top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways. Just like iOS utilizes the left region for time and the r…

Couldn't agree more I was definitely in the 'notch wtf?!' camp (and still don't own a notched device) However I've managed to adjust to various devices having all manner of weird pixel/aspect ratios - and I'm definitely a fan of this after the everything has to be 1080 wilderness years. I can't help but think a lot of this could have been avoided, if notched screens had just been positioned as the dimensions without…

I think what folks tend to miss is if you subtract out the notched area, you're left with a bog standard 16:10 display. It really is extra bonus space.

Re: Remove the Notch

#75

Post by goldcd »

arcticbull wrote: post #74
goldcd wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't agree more I was definitely in the 'notch wtf?!' camp (and still don't own a notched device) However I've managed to adjust to various devices having all manner of weird pixel/aspect ratios - and I'm definitely a fan of this after the everything has to be 1080 wilderness years. I can't help but think a lot of this could have been avoided, if notched screens had just been positioned as the dimensions without…

I think what folks tend to miss is if you subtract out the notched area, you're left with a bog standard 16:10 display. It really is extra bonus space.

That's my point. If they had just advertized notched screens with the minimum square resolution and positioned the pixels on each side of the notch as an optional bonus, I think we'd all have been grateful.

Re: Remove the Notch

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Post by arcticbull »

goldcd wrote: post #75
arcticbull wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what folks tend to miss is if you subtract out the notched area, you're left with a bog standard 16:10 display. It really is extra bonus space.

That's my point. If they had just advertized notched screens with the minimum square resolution and positioned the pixels on each side of the notch as an optional bonus, I think we'd all have been grateful.

Setting expectations is critical to success.

Re: Remove the Notch

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Post by Tagbert »

ljm wrote: post #26
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

It's just that Apple will have you think that nobody has ever developed a laptop screen with a smaller bezel, and thus the revolutionary and innovative approach is to just obstruct the display. The macbook has basically gone from having a comically huge bezel to something people will consider a nuisance. Dell did similar with the XPS 13 when they put the camera lens on the bottom corner of the screen, and it wasn't t…

The XPS 13 is also a 720p camera

Re: Remove the Notch

#79

Post by Tagbert »

ljm wrote: post #26
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

It's just that Apple will have you think that nobody has ever developed a laptop screen with a smaller bezel, and thus the revolutionary and innovative approach is to just obstruct the display. The macbook has basically gone from having a comically huge bezel to something people will consider a nuisance. Dell did similar with the XPS 13 when they put the camera lens on the bottom corner of the screen, and it wasn't t…

Apple’s camera is not just the camera. There is a true tone / ambient light sensor there too. It’s not the most compact component. They may be able to reduce it at some point but not so far.
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