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Re: Remove the Notch

#51

Post by yumraj »

chadlavi wrote: post #49
yumraj wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I still think it's silly and picayune for people to quibble about the color of the menu bar. So, basically the original comment was posted before you'd seen the post. Got it. Though, I did learn a new word today, picayune , so thank you for that.

I had seen someone on twitter doing what I assumed this was, and it was the only hack related to the notch I had seen on the net. Sorry pal. (though the meat of my comment still applies here: people will find reasons to complain about everything, they're just doing a different thing about the thing they don't like)

No worries, I've been guilty of that in the past :)

And, as I said, I learned a new word - had to look up the meaning, so I'm happy.

I do agree about people finding things to complain about - like I'm still peeved about the price of the RAM upgrade and guess I'll remain peeved till I buy the damn thing and move on.

Re: Remove the Notch

#52

Post by zozbot234 »

arcticbull wrote: post #27
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

I strongly encourage folks to think about the the notch not as "space taken away from a 14in display" but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space. macOS UI paradigms lend themselves very well to a notch in the top, as top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways. Just like iOS utilizes the left region for time and the r…

> but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space.

We used to call it a "New Second Display" back in the day. But that assumes that you're properly hiding the notch by using a dark background for that area.

Re: Remove the Notch

#53

Post by kartoshechka »

jstx1 wrote: post #10
smoldesu wrote: post #7

I thought this was a petition asking Apple to get rid of it, I was almost excited for a moment.

They'll remove it in 3-5 years and congratulate themselves for listening to people.

they gonna put the camera on bottom like earlier xps models, and then in 3-5 more years put it back on top

Re: Remove the Notch

#54

Post by wlesieutre »

smoldesu wrote: post #12
wlesieutre wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passes through

Unless you have a menubar that spans across the notch, in which case the behavior changes for some reason to teleport your cursor across the notch. Mind you that this is not the same behavior for statusbar icons for whatever reason, they will reside underneath the notch (yet still accessible for) unless the aforementioned global menu expands beyond the notch, in which case it just starts hiding random statusbar icons…

"Some reason" being so that moving from a menu to the adjacent menu with the notch in between is the same short mouse movement as between other adjacent menus, instead of having a longer move through the dead space of the notch.

I tried one in the Apple Store but didn't think to check any software with a >50% full menubar to see if that feels weird or not.

If they hadn't done this, someone would be complaining these menus are supposed to be 10 pixels apart, but I have to move my mouse 100 pixels instead. If it bugs you, hit cmd-I on the application and put it in the no-notch mode.

Re: Remove the Notch

#56

Post by clairity »

i'd have much rather that apple remove the camera entirely to support a nearly bezel-less, notchless screen.

then for folks who want a camera, apple could have added a smart connector and magnets near the top back of the lid to clip on a camera when needed. it would have been a real win for privacy[0], and they can do their little trick of excessively marking up accessories to boost revenue. it's even better than a physical on-off switch, since 'off' literally means off. the camera could then be thicker, which means no need to compromise on image quality due to the physical limitations of the bezel/lid.

[0]: unlike the theater of their 'privacy report' (in beta), which doesn't let you block any of the trackers they surface.

Re: Remove the Notch

#57

Post by pseudalopex »

arcticbull wrote: post #27
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

I strongly encourage folks to think about the the notch not as "space taken away from a 14in display" but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space. macOS UI paradigms lend themselves very well to a notch in the top, as top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways. Just like iOS utilizes the left region for time and the r…

> top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways

Some people use lower resolutions or apps with more menus than you apparently.

Re: Remove the Notch

#58

Post by alphabettsy »

ljm wrote: post #26
chadlavi wrote: post #11

There's just no pleasing people. "Here's more screen real estate, but it's not contiguous." "No! I hate you! This is an abomination! I will black it out and make it useless." If they hadn't made any camera updates people would also be ticked about that. Edit: I thought people were using this to push their menubar down below the level of the notch and creating black dead zones on the left and right of the notch. But I…

It's just that Apple will have you think that nobody has ever developed a laptop screen with a smaller bezel, and thus the revolutionary and innovative approach is to just obstruct the display. The macbook has basically gone from having a comically huge bezel to something people will consider a nuisance. Dell did similar with the XPS 13 when they put the camera lens on the bottom corner of the screen, and it wasn't t…

That’s true, but the XPS 13 camera and angle is terrible and that’s certainly not preferable for me in the age of Zoom.

Re: Remove the Notch

#59

Post by TillE »

It's really interesting that the notch was basically only an option on a Mac laptop. It doesn't work at all with Windows or KDE. It almost works on Gnome.

But with macOS, the menu bar has been there since the very beginning, and the center of the bar has been increasingly empty as resolutions increased. A fortunate coincidence.

The notch is here to stay, until good cameras get a lot smaller. It just makes a ton of sense as a solution.

Re: Remove the Notch

#60

Post by arcticbull »

pseudalopex wrote: post #57
arcticbull wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly encourage folks to think about the the notch not as "space taken away from a 14in display" but rather that a smaller display was expanded to fill all usable space. macOS UI paradigms lend themselves very well to a notch in the top, as top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways. Just like iOS utilizes the left region for time and the r…

> top area can be split into two regions, one for menus and one for status widgets as we have long been doing anyways Some people use lower resolutions or apps with more menus than you apparently.

There's definitely going to be edge cases, although if I were still a macOS software developer, I would update my app immediately to nest my menus more when operating with a notch. I think there's more that Apple - and also third-party developers - can do to make this a well-crafted experience. This is definitely a V1 but I see paths to it getting better! Never could say the same for the Touch Bar haha.

I'm certainly not going to say you're holding it wrong. I sympathize with the frustration of this breaking your use case. Apple's never been one to avoid scrambling a few eggs.

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