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Re: Meta

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

threeseed wrote: post #83
ricardobeat wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had free speech before social networks and this wasn’t an issue. The problem is when you encourage all the 5000 lunatics who think the earth is pizza-shaped to congregate and consume each other’s content.

Reddit and Twitter proves that it's not the case. They have allowed anti-vaxxer, conspiracy, misinformation etc communities to thrive and flourish and it's happened without recommendation algorithms. It happened because when people can see other's peoples comments they are able to follow them to discover more people like that.

Twitter absolutely uses an algorithmic feed to show you content you'll engage with more.

On Reddit this is somewhat true, but it's a well-known part of Reddit culture (though this has been changing as they've been kicking out more subs) that each sub has its own set of cultural mores, opinionated mods, and memes. There's lots of drama/hate on subs from other subs but you'll see the same phenomenon on the Fediverse or, for that matter, in a neighborhood gossip group.

It's not like these views go away without algorithmic newsfeeds, it just that algorithmic feeds accelerate their spread.

Re: Meta

#92

Post by vineyardmike »

threeseed wrote: post #58
gear54rus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple behaves ethically with those file scanners on your devices? Iphone parts that show errors when replaced with the same parts from another phone? Lobbying against the right to repair? Blocking access to 3rd party app stores? lol. It's just marketing, nothing more.

a) The CSAM scanning on your phone only happens if you specify that you want your photos to be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. And if doesn't happen client-side then it simply happens server-side with less privacy and security. b) iPhone parts showing errors issues was a bug that was already fixed and applied to TouchID security validation. If it's something new then it's almost guarenteed that this is a good thing…

1) Lets not have client side scanning apologists here. They are setting a terrible precedent. Even if apple does it right, the copy cats won't and that'll be terrible for everyone.

2) Apple customer support has a history of being deceitful. In the US it is illegal for them to reject jailbroken devices from warranty and I've been told by apple they will void your warranty on their internal services if you bring them a device.

3) Not all customers want a 3p App Store. Some do. iPhones are not microwaves, they are computers.

> They want security, privacy, moderation, convenience

Like a microwave? Wtf. Also, all these things can come through 3p app stores. Security is provided by the OS not App Store. Privacy is by app. Moderation apple still doesn't do right. Convenience is IAP that apps will actually use.

Re: Meta

#93

Post by hsnewman »

This is a very bad sign for facebook. They are betting on everyone walking around with 3D goggles talking in Zoom like meetings. I personally would rather go outside and see reality than virtually doing it. Only time will tell, but I'm betting on reality.

Re: Meta

#94

Post by thebean11 »

r00fus wrote: post #30
thebean11 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The demo is for geeks and investors, so I’m not sure it matters.

So pray tell, what do investors see in it? As a geek I see a hobby horse.

Selling digital goods with fat margins, app store revenue, and ads in digital spaces

Re: Meta

#95

Post by aaroninsf »

nemothekid wrote: post #28

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

Knives may be snapped mid air by the appropriate adversary.

The tide is correctly turning against the manifest abuses of this organization, regardless of what it asks to be called; with any luck it will be systematically dismantled and defanged.

The pathology and amorality inherent in its DNA goes back to Zuckerberg; the fish has rotted from the head from the start. That pathology leads to market valuation is not a surprise but it's also not conducive to survival.

Re: Meta

#96

Post by lostlogin »

vineyardmike wrote: post #89
zamalek wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> betting against a company with such a huge war chest is like trying to catch a falling knife. Indeed. My biggest fear is that succeed. I happen to prefer PCs (and there is no reason to argue for or against that). Apple has been incredibly successful at capturing market share and their devices are now mandatory at my new job. I might not like it, but it's not the end of the world: Apple behaves ethically. Now imagin…

> Now imagine your [otherwise] dream job demands that you strap a Quest on and feed Zuck's data fetish. Its very likely that a commercial Oculus device won't collect data (what company approves that?), so it might actually give FB a path to money that is free of data+ads.

> what company approves that?

Kissing by the number that have FB accounts, most?

Re: Meta

#97

Post by klelatti »

A company like Facebook (ok Meta) focuses on what the person in charge is interested in. Can’t be helped - it will just pervade the whole company.

Zuck is interested in this Metaverse vision and not in fixing the issues with his existing properties. Announcing this now is two fingers to those affected by these problems. If he gets massive regulatory intervention now he’s brought it on himself and deserves it.

Re: Meta

#98

Post by r00fus »

threeseed wrote: post #78
r00fus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So pray tell, what do investors see in it? As a geek I see a hobby horse.

What does Apple see in it ? They are investing heavily in AR/VR and they have a proven track record in new product categories e.g. smartphone, tablet, headphones, watch. Once the technologies improve such that the glasses/headsets are light and small enough then it's going to be something you can bring and use everywhere. And then the popularity will increase which in turn will attract developers. Repeat this cycle a…

Apple and Oculus/FB have very little overlap. Apple is pushing AR, and Oculus is VR.

I don't think it makes sense to conflate those two distinct use cases as the tech is different and user experience is vastly different as well.

Re: Meta

#99

Post by jensensbutton »

lupire wrote: post #22
lsjvjn wrote: post #6

>The fact that Facebook is uniquely held responsible for the societal problems engendered by the Internet does, I suspect, stem from the fact that Zuckerberg is an obvious target. How many people concerned about anti-vax rhetoric, for example, can even name the person in charge of YouTube, a far more potent vector? This article makes a very cogent point: Zuckerberg has too much baggage with the general public and Met…

I have no idea if FB or YT is more potent, but Ben didn't offer any evidence so this looks like shilling for Zuckerberg. Facebook's potency is in the reshares, and in the "headline only" feed format where lies in headlines are persuasive even when the linked content is not. YT algorithm shows one person more bad content, but doesn't spam their friends. And in a video the viewer has time to think if the claims make se…

What if they're resharing Youtube videos?

Re: Meta

#100

Post by whimsicalism »

georgeglue1 wrote: post #57
nemothekid wrote: post #28

Personally, I'm less bullish on FB/Meta now. Half of me believes if someone can turn it around it would be Zuck, and the other half believes that FB's culture has optimized the wrong the thing for the past 5 years. Consider this, and call me out if I'm wrong, for the past 5 years we were led to believe by FB/YouTube that algorithmically generated could only have negative consequences as it moved people to more and mo…

I don't think I've gotten an actual misinformation / hate speech / etc. recommendation from Youtube, Facebook, or Tiktok. On Facebook, I see potentially divisive posts from friends with very different political views. The difference with TikTok is that those friends don't post content. I think if you explicitly seek out problematic content you can end in a rabbit hole on any large algorithmic app.

As a counteranecdote to many on this thread, I have also never seen hate content on any platform except TikTok.

Only on Tiktok have I seen teen girls dancing along to clearly white supremacist content about racial superiority.

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