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The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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The 'dirty secret' you refer to (1) is mostly wrong because partying with LSD was popular in the early 80s, not meth, and (2) the gay community is and always has been very up front about risky behaviors and how to minimize the risks. Just because you're unaware of something doesn't make it a secret.

All other literature have told me exactly the contrary in terms of attitudes concerning risk. So, do you have a non politicized source for your statements?

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Society does, it's called Oxycodone. The results of it have been quite devastating.

In Britain at least diamorphine hydrochloride (heroin) can be prescribed to individuals.

In case you're interested, in my reply I've mentioned why the UK is an exception and is able to prescribe diamophine. Apologies if you're already aware.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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> German teenagers who can legally enjoy a pint at the local pub. Was that an intentional cultural mixup? My brain just stopped working after reading it, because of how little sense it made.

In Germany, you are legally allowed to buy beer and wine at age 16. The result is that most teenagers tend to stick for lower-percentage alcohol and don't go all-in for the hard stuff.

Yes, but not in pints, and not at pubs. That's England, not Germany.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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> Look at the moral panic over Four Loko. The same cocktail of ethanol and caffeine has been consumed as amaro and coffee by rich women since time immemorial. Yet it never caused moral panic until the “wrong type of people” started consuming it. You’re not entirely wrong, but a splash of liqueur into a small cup of coffee is pretty different from dissolving caffeine pills in tall boys of malt liquor.

Substitute "PBR hard coffee," then. Malt liquor drink, 30mg caffeine. Tastes like Yoo-hoo.

PBR hard coffee (and similar products) are comically expensive for what they are which means the wrong people don't buy them which means the avoid the stigma.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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post #288

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By your same logic, if it rose, they would have said so. They didn't. Perhaps it was unchanged meaningfully / statistically significant enough to comment?

> By your same logic, if it rose, they would have said so. They didn't. No, because they aren’t uninterested, unbiased observers just reporting the facts. The entire linked article is pushing very specific policy, and it is only expected that they will only raise arguments in favor of the policy they are proposing. > Perhaps it was unchanged meaningfully / statistically significant enough to comment? No. I looked at…

> No. I looked at the data, and reported it accurately.

You were asked for sources. Instead, you pointed to the article someone else linked, and asserted that it’s biased reporting so the data that they didn’t show backs up what you say.

You still haven’t provided any sources for your ongoing assertions.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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I've looked into the logistics of "cooking" meth and it is a complex process that, were I not an expert, wouldn't create something I would be comfortable putting into my body. How is meth "industrially" produced? Is it Walter White-esque clandestine factories? Is it clever people in their garages? Is it done over the border?

"How is meth "industrially" produced? Is it Walter White-esque clandestine factories?"

I've never produced it and as you'd be aware it'd be stupid of me to offer advice based on chemical knowledge as it's manufacture is illegal - despite the fact that the various methods are widely known.

From time to time, I've seen busts of clandestine labs on TV and it's easily doable in a garage or shed. Seems the smell of volatiles often gives them away (e.g.: propan-2-one or similar reagents), or they catch fire (seeming a common occurrence) which burns the place down thus attracts attention.

As an expert, you'd know that a racemic mixture results. As backyard-ers don't have the means to separate the enantiomers, law enforcement uses the fact to determine whether stuff they've collected originated in a backyard lab of from a pharmaceutical complex. Nevertheless, I gather from the article that's narrowed. It seems, that when one's made enough money manufacturing gets reasonably sophisticated.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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post #288

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> By your same logic, if it rose, they would have said so. They didn't. No, because they aren’t uninterested, unbiased observers just reporting the facts. The entire linked article is pushing very specific policy, and it is only expected that they will only raise arguments in favor of the policy they are proposing. > Perhaps it was unchanged meaningfully / statistically significant enough to comment? No. I looked at…

> No. I looked at the data, and reported it accurately. You were asked for sources. Instead, you pointed to the article someone else linked, and asserted that it’s biased reporting so the data that they didn’t show backs up what you say. You still haven’t provided any sources for your ongoing assertions.

They don't provide solid sources because they don't exist. Their claims are untrue in the spirit in which they were posted: That the results of the policy were uniformly harmful.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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post #211

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Drugs destroy your ability to make good decisions. They are essentially hot wiring the brain's reward circuits which directly feed back into the brain's decision making processes. Most obviously, it's almost never the case that addicts consciously choose to become addicted.

Pretty sure that Erdos said that Dexedrine/variants of amphetamine made him want to do math. Is wanting to do math a not good decision? Potentially, I guess.

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Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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post #253

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Does anyone 100% consciously choose anything? If you make a decision after drinking a strong cup of coffee, how much of that decision came from the caffeine, and how much came from your “consciousness”? I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you—addiction is a disease of forces and circumstances, for sure—but the level of “free will” present in any choice (or sequence of choices) is a certainly not amenable to a binary…

Yes, the degree "free will"/willpower factors into a decision is much more of a spectrum than a binary. I'm just pointing out that drug addiction shifts your decisions away from the free will end of the spectrum.

"Drug addiction" is not a singular problem with a singular solution. Every drug has unique effects, even between different people (two people take the same drug and don't have the same result). It does not serve public health to shoehorn everything into a square hole.

Re: The main thing about Phenylacetone meth is that there's so much of it

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post #224

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> Look at the moral panic over Four Loko. The same cocktail of ethanol and caffeine has been consumed as amaro and coffee by rich women since time immemorial. Yet it never caused moral panic until the “wrong type of people” started consuming it. You’re not entirely wrong, but a splash of liqueur into a small cup of coffee is pretty different from dissolving caffeine pills in tall boys of malt liquor.

Substitute "PBR hard coffee," then. Malt liquor drink, 30mg caffeine. Tastes like Yoo-hoo.

It’s also not sold in 32 oz cans at 8-12% ABV in addition to the 3-4 cups of coffee worth of caffeine.
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