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Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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Just learned that there are two different things, stenotype, which uses a special keyboard (mostly in the US?), and stenography, a form of hand writing, which some of the comments refer to. Interesting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthand

Obviously, stenotype is a relatively recent device, which has appeared later than standard typewriters, while various forms of stenographic hand writing have existed for more than 2 millennia, see e.g.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tironian_notes

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I sometimes use stenographic handwriting, which is different from the question. One insight I had is that swiping on the iPad is fundamentally faster than stenography, because the information density of these curves is higher: you have more context sensitive starting point and swirls. The only thing that is even faster is speech recognition (google > siri) ... and maybe the stenography OP asked about, which is probab…

I've been thinking about touch screen stenography too. I think it could be much better for you physically.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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Plover was great when in university and taking lecture classes. Let me keep up with lecturers and gave me a fun activity (learning steno) to keep me awake during boring lectures. Utterly useless for note taking as transcripts are really not great to study from, but what I'd do is come back at the end of the week and re-read all of my transcripts to create little study guides. Ended up working really well. Main downside is I didn't have the money to buy a chorded keyboard and steno on a normal laptop is really hard.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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No I don't like it because it's heavily encouraged that every stenographer heavily modify their dictionary, making it harder to learn. There's a million and one different theories, it's somewhat strange.

It doesn't make it harder to learn, but easier for that specific person. Just like you change keyboard shortcuts and install plugins in tools you frequently use.

Afaik stenography has some standard dictionaries that you can start out with. But as you said it's expected to modify it because everyone writes different kinds of texts and stenography is all about optimizing for speed.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

If you have some spare time, maybe try learning a new keyboard layout and be intent on learning the right fingering. I never properly learned to use all my fingers on QWERTY, but I picked up Carpalx[1] and with 1h a day of deliberate practice on TypeRacer and keybr.com[2] I managed to get to the same speed I've always typed on QWERTY (~70-90 WPM) after about a week. Since then I haven't really practiced that much and progress has definitely slowed down but I still "naturally" got slightly faster than I was (I occasionally reach 120 WPM) and I always do see a tiny improvement when I practice again. It's also interesting that due to using fingers differently I can easily mentally switch between "QWERTY mode" and "Carpalx mode", it's something I can feel, sort of like playing two different instruments.

[1] Sort of an obscure one, but there's a good reason to learn it! http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/

[2] A warning though, you may become addicted to these games :)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I love the idea of steno-like keyboards such as the gerkin, but I haven’t been able to go below 40 keys on a split keyboard myself without significantly changing my tools. My main editor for example (vscode) heavily uses modifier based shortcuts and with less keys the overlap of modifiers and normal characters is too high and becomes confusing for me. I already have basic characters mapped to modifiers, ie click for…

You don't need tiny keyboards for stenography, they just need n-key rollover and an ergonomic layout is a bonus. For me personally the sweet spot are 42 keys, much lower than that and I need to make a ton of compromises and the accuracy plummets. The problem is that putting modifier keys like Ctrl and Alt on normal letters is guaranteed to cause issues for certain key combinations unless you type really slowly.

And I don't know how flexible VS Code is in terms of keybindings, but I like to use Space as a leader key for many of my additions. So instead of e.g. Ctrl-x I press Space followed by x. It can be still just as fast with some muscle memory.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

If you have some spare time, maybe try learning a new keyboard layout and be intent on learning the right fingering. I never properly learned to use all my fingers on QWERTY, but I picked up Carpalx[1] and with 1h a day of deliberate practice on TypeRacer and keybr.com[2] I managed to get to the same speed I've always typed on QWERTY (~70-90 WPM) after about a week. Since then I haven't really practiced that much and…

> http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/

Link is dead, but it's in archive.org. Thanks for that! Really cool. I love the idea of using a model driven approach. That link is gold.

Yeah, I considered learning dvorak in the early 2000s, when it was spreading like wildfire through my social group. I decided not too after having several friends gripe about the annoyance of typing on a qwerty keyboard after going dvorak.

But, it's 2021 now. I can't remember the last time I typed on a computer I didn't control! So maybe now it's time to switch to a custom key layout, entirely data driven by sampling my key presses over a few months. :)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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post #6

I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

I can approach 150-160, depending on the test. I think it's because I've been playing video games since I was 7 years old, before they had voice chat. In those early days, you did a lot of typing.

I imagine it is similar to any other skill though. Practice. I'm sure there are web apps. You'd just have to put in some time each day for a period and you'd improve.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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post #6

I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

I don't touch type as fast as you do (only 80-110wpm) but I too was tempted by the idea of faster typing. I have experimented with several chording keyboards and could never get past 15-20 wpm range. My problem is that I have been typing on QWERTY keyboards for decades and my limiting factor is not my typing speed, but my thinking speed. When coding, I hardly ever can go for more than a couple of minutes before I nee…

Have you tried practicing specifically to improve your typing speed on QWERTY keyboards? I started doing ~10 minutes of typing tests a day using MonkeyType[0] and KeyMash[1] and can now pretty reliably type 200+ WPM.

Lots of people try out Workman / Dvorak / Colemak, but I see very few top typists using custom keyboard layouts. You can definitely.

[0] https://keyma.sh/ [1] https://monkeytype.com/

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